2 hours ago, DeeVee said:

Hey, you left out the BEST PART: Kyle's father was a Catholic Cardinal, who Sally the Madam "let go" so he could take his destined path as a priest.

One of my favorite bad GL scenes is the reunion between Kyle and his father who is a Father.

Kyle's friend David, who was just a TAD too fond of Kyle...come on, we all know it. (If only they had made that more explicit, that might have livened this puppy up).

It's a toss-up between Infinity and Dreaming Death, both obvious tries at catching some of GH's viewers. The difference, of course, is that GH had wildly popular characters like Luke, Laura, Scorpio, etc. And GL had...Jim Reardon, Hillary, Claire and Fletch. Lujack and Beth were popular, so they rewarded them by killing off Lujack.

But, yes, at least Infinity was based in a family conflict, unlike Dreaming Death.

LOL...I found myself way overexplaining the plot. And I knew I was forgetting another notorious plot! I've always felt squeamish about the fact Billy's bio mom was a whore. But it explains his fascination with party girls like Reva and Nadine.

I’m up to March 16, 1999.

Josh tells Reva he wants another baby, but she says he first needs to make her an honest woman and marry her. So, he gets on his knee and proposes and she says yes. Why these two still aren’t married after all this time is weird to me. Anyway, the next morning, Reva/Josh/David meet with Alan/Vicky at Lewis Oil to reveal to Alan they have a taped confession from the spa lady, but once David presses play, we hear Vicky singing a song and then nothing else. David apologizes to Josh/Reva, Alan declares victory and said they’ve lost their precious Lewis Oil, and David confronts Vicky about her tricking him. Vicky stands up to him and says she knows what he did to get that confession, but then turns from angry to flirtatious again which confuses and angers David and he walks away.

Ben tries to console Blake and pushes her to finally take that Paris trip to get her mind off things. She says no and has a vision of Ross telling her how to cope with her emotions, and she realizes Ben isn’t able to give her what she needs in this moment, only Ross can. Ben leaves to give her some space and she calls Ross, asking him to come over. He arrives and she hugs him, saying she’s missed him and never needed him as much as she does now.

Jim tries to console Cassie and tell her things will get better, since he’s been through it too, but she doesn’t want to hear it. She lays into him saying their situations aren’t the same, but she eventually apologizes and they remain friendly. Later, Blake visits Cassie and tells her that while they lost Hart, they’ve gained life long sisters and their kids will grow up together.

Annie nonchalantly tells Ben about how she left Reva in a plane to die and he says that could add attempted murder charges to her case. She then tells Alan in the same manner, like it was no big deal, and he flashes back to Dolly trying to convince him she’s a clone. He seems to have put it all together now and says Reva’s day just got worse. I guess Annie always assumed that news was out, but Reva/Josh could never tell anyone about the Annie plane thing because they would learn about Dolly the clone, which Alan just figured it out. He then tells Ben about the clone and Ben thinks he’s crazy, but Alan brings in Vicky to explain what she did with Michael and how it’s all true. I can’t believe we’re back to the clone a year later haha. Ben still doesn’t really believe it, but Vicky is willing to testify on the stand and he thinks it could be a valid theory in court. Alan suggests that Cassie has to know about the clone since she lived in the house, so he tasks Ben to get information out of Blake about Cassie. Ben says no, he won’t use Blake, but he’ll still get Annie off, which Blake walks in and hears and says over her dead body. Later, Cassie is visiting Blake and Ben purposefully drops papers about cloning which Blake sees and asks about. Cassie gets a little worried and asks why he would be researching cloning and he says it’s about a case he’s working on. Ben leaves, knowing what he’s doing by planting the seed, and Cassie pushes Blake about what she knows. She says she doesn’t know anything, so Cassie asks if she can trust her with information that will save her family, and Blake says of course because they’re now sisters. Cassie starts to hint that Reva really had a clone, which surprises Blake because she can’t believe it, but Cassie says it’s true. We then see a recording device that Ben left in the flowers and he’s listening to this confession from his office.

Meanwhile, Josh/Reva/David are visited by the real Teri DeMarco who is now walking and healthy. She vows to get revenge on Annie and Alan and promises to testify in support of Reva. Teri slaps Alan on her way out. Later, Reva visits Vicky and tries to convince her to do the right thing and side with them by giving them a copy of the tape that they think she made. She says no and leaves, which pisses off Reva, who then claims Vicky is a true Spaulding. Outside, David asks Vicky if he meant anything to her, she says yes, and he pleads with her to use the heart he knows she has. He then kisses her and leaves, with Vicky seemingly unsure of what to do now.

Vanessa has taken off with Maureen and Matt can’t find her, while Lillian lays into Beth about her role in all of this. It’s nice to finally see Lillian get some air time! Phillip and Harley show up and Matt tells them what happened. Susan overhears and schemes/investigates her way on the telephone to figure out where Vanessa’s car is, which impresses Harley (like a mini-her). Lillian tells Beth not to give up on men like she has, but to stay away from Matt. Beth cries and leaves, and falls into Jim’s arms outside. They’re really trying to chem test him with the women! Her bracelet is stuck in his sweater so they’re tied to the hip for a bit, which Susan and Lizzie sees and they think it’s cute. They finally get untangled and Jim asks her out for a drink, but she says no and she doesn’t need a man to fulfill her anymore. Jim and Susan leave but Susan winks at Lizzie, determined now to get them together by playing matchmaker. They each scheme to have lunch with their parent at Millennium and once Jim arrives and sees Beth/Lizzie, they figure out the kids arranged this meet up. The four of them have lunch together and it’s cute and the girls keep pushing them to do more things afterwards at the park, but the adults get the upper-hand and get the girls to admit their silly scheming.

Matt finds Bill at Millennium and asks where Vanessa/Maureen are, but Bill said he won’t tell him and he can kick rocks. Beth suggests he go back in the poetry chat rooms, and we then see Vanessa logging into the chat room from a hotel room.

The next morning, Annie’s trial starts and Ben surprises everyone by bringing out his colleague - oh my God, it’s Johnnie Cochran LOL (3/08). Like Rudy G before, how and why in the world did they get Johnnie on this show LOL. They take a break and Ben pulls Johnnie to the side and Johnnie gives him advice on what to do to win. Johnnie is clearly reading off cue cards at certain points. Anyway, that’s all for Johnnie because he then leaves, so he primarily just worked with Hunt Block for a couple scenes. Ben gives his opening statement and it’s strong, lightly trashing Reva/Josh and dangling a carrot about a certain witness he will call that is very close to Josh/Reva, but has no skin in the game or reason to lie and will tell the truth about Reva/Josh that should make the jurors acquit Annie. Josh is on the stand and Annie can’t help but to scream out that he’s lying and he loved her, etc, which irritates Ben and he has to get her calmed down. Alan didn’t like the outburst either. A now visibly pregnant Harley takes the stand and Ben sort of ruins her by calling out that her stint in the looney bin with Annie was illegal and paid for by Josh/Reva. Teri then takes the stand and recounts meeting Annie. Reva warns Frank a few times leading up to this that his ‘romantic’ encounters with Annie could come up and he needs to tell Eleni, but he blows it off saying he did nothing wrong. Frank then takes the stand and of course Ben uses this against Frank to discredit his testimony by asking if he kisses all his partners multiple times. Frank tries to say Annie kissed him, but Eleni storms out of the courthouse. Eleni cries outside and Buzz consoles her. Frank comes out and tries to talk to her, but she yells at him and goes home. Meanwhile, during a break, Blake tries to get information out of Ben, asking if he plans to use the clone information for some reason and who the surprise witness will be, but he says he can’t tell her, which she then tells Cassie and they get concerned.

The next day, Bill shows up and Cassie is surprised he’s on the defense list as a witness. Reva is first to take the stand and she’s pretty smug in my opinion. Ben then starts grilling her and casually mentions her ‘cousin Dolly’ and you can tell Reva is panicking. They take a break and Reva pulls Ben aside and Ben reveals he has a tape of Cassie talking about the clone, which makes Cassie later feel horrible. Ben then calls Shayne to the stand, which surprises and upsets Reva/Josh. Shayne sort of melts down on the stand a bit, but Ben starts asking questions on how many times he’s seen Dolly (once), where she lives (Europe), what she looks like… which then prompts Reva to scream out “that’s enough”. The judge has to calm everyone down and they take a break. Annie asks Alan what’s going on, because she doesn’t like secrets, so he tells her about the clone. She can’t believe Josh loves Reva so much he would do something like that, but she gets excited about the information coming out, however Alan tells her it’s their last resort, they’d rather Reva/Josh back off and give up vs. having it come out. Phillip then lays into Alan for not putting a leash on Ben like he promised him. Vicky overhears it and pulls Alan aside and says she agrees with Phillip and it’s time for Alan to let Annie go. She professed her love for Josh again and that’ll never change and it won’t make sense to have her back in their Spaulding home. Alan gets angry at her and says it’s his home and she must now move out, which shocks Vicky who then says Alan just made a huge mistake. Reva/Josh grill Ben on why he’s doing this and he asks them what’s more important - punishing Annie or protecting their children from their lies? Reva later confronts Blake about how she’s able to be with Ben and Blake tells her that he has incentive to win this case. Reva realizes Alan/Ben’s plan about Lewis Oil and Reva/Blake discuss that Ben secretly recorded Cassie talking about the clone, which stuns Blake. Reva later corners Annie and reveals she has a copy of the tape Annie filmed while they were on the plane, where Annie tells a tied up Reva she’s going to die. Annie says if she shows that tape, she’ll play the clone card and she knows Reva isn’t capable of letting that story out. The lawyers and Reva/Josh/Annie meet and Reva/Josh tell their lawyer they can’t move forward because they won’t be good on the stand and are afraid of what might come out. The lawyer is pissed about it, and Ben reveals the Detroit police are good with a 5-year probation deal to clear Annie from impersonating a cop. The judge is also shocked at this turn of events with her settlement agreement (as am I!), but is quite stern with Annie as she says her community service will be grueling. She’s also ordered to psychiatric appointments. Court is then over and Annie/Alan hug about the fact she’s a free woman. Ben then celebrates with Alan by being the new CEO of Lewis Oil, however Blake is upset and says she refuses to celebrate. Ben says she will eventually want to be with him to celebrate and she walks out. We then see Reva/Josh talk briefly about how thankfully Annie didn’t see more of that video from the plane, because it’s revealed to be something they threw together to make her think it’s the real video when in fact it wasn’t. The Lewis/Shayne family leave in the elevator as Annie watches, seemingly sad that she’s not part of it.

The next day at the diner, Frank tries to apologize to Eleni but she doesn’t want to hear it. Buzz then lays into Frank and tells him he really screwed up and he needs to make it right.

Danny gives Michelle false information to see if she will run to the FBI, which is a test to see if he can trust her. She tells Drew about it and wants her to call the FBI. Later, Danny meets with his grandma and he confesses to her that he’s fallen in love with Michelle, even though he wishes he hadn’t, which Michelle overhears. Michelle then calls Drew begging her not to call the FBI because she doesn’t want to play along anymore, but Drew says she already has and they’re gearing up to arrest Danny. Drew calls the FBI and tries to get them to stop, but they won’t and now Michelle is trying to prevent Danny from getting caught. She pretends that she’s going blind again and he rushes her to the hospital. Rick sees her and realizes she’s faking it and privately asks her what’s going on, but Jesse/Danny/Drew all come in and Jesse becomes protective of her and wants to make sure she’s ok (aww). Rick plays along and Danny gets upset that Jesse is getting close to her. Rick kicks the guys out and Michelle tells Drew she’s faking. Dietz finds Danny outside Michelle’s room and tells him Michelle tipped off the FBI and they arrested some of their men, which could have included him. Danny looks menacingly at Michelle through the window.

The next day at Millennium, they finally pick back on up Drew’s backstory when Michelle is looking through her childhood pictures and letters in preparation for an interview the press is going to do on Drew and her club. Michelle finds a letter and reads it aloud from her birth mother to her parents essentially saying Drew was adopted. Drew freaks out, having never known she was actually adopted and starts crying. She runs to the diner into Selena’s arms for comfort, telling her that her father lied to her all her life and she was adopted. While Drew leaves to make a phone call, Buzz tries to convince a hesitant Selena to finally tell her the truth about being her mother. Drew then comes back and excitedly tells them that she got a hold of her mom’s old friend that knew her growing up, and she said it was a mistake, the secretary must have mailed it to the wrong family because she’s not adopted. Drew’s excitement at the news stuns Buzz and Selena. Jesse arrives and takes an excited Drew back to their apartment, but Jesse starts to think the letter is in fact real. He realizes her birth certificate is a copy and not the original, and he mentions the fact she has no pictures of herself as a baby before she’s a year old, so he tells Drew she probably was adopted, but she still refuses to believe it.

Ross visits Holly in the psych ward and these are lovely scenes where a gentle Ross tries to convince her it’s time to get her life back because her family needs her. He reminds her of the day she returned to SF and took over WSPR. We get a long, lovely flashback of Holly and Roger which really made me miss Roger/Zaslow and their relationship.

I'm living in a time warp... haha. Also, this young man is living his best life. I really do think Kim is a fun lady and I wish I could have known her. But gosh, this time warp messes with your mind haha!

I'm a big east coast fan and I'm trying to get over there more often each year. Knowing Kim does these regional plays, as does Robert Newman and others on the east coast... I think I'll make it a point to align future trips with their shows so I can see them live while they're still around :)

I was going through the thread to find some of the '50s GL articles I'd posted long ago and given that we are still discussing so much of Marland's run, I thought I'd point out that on page 95 there's a 4-page August 1982 Daytimers interview with Marland and L Virginia Browne. There's also a nice photo at the top of the page of Robert Newman and Jennifer Cooke (looking more animated than she often did on GL), in matching leather. @DeeVee you may like that as it's another reminder of the improvement of the character/actress post-Kelly.

There's also a behind the scenes look at the show from March 1977's TV Mirror, on page 53.

@alwaysAMC That was a fun interview with Kim. Thanks. And thanks for your recaps.

I had totally forgotten that the clone story returned around this point.

Johnny Cochran was, I think, maybe trying for some court or legal show around this time? Either way, the OJ heyday was long gone. I don't remember him being too unnatural onscreen.

A shame more wasn't done with this Blake and Cassie "sister" bond.

Is India ever on the show by this point? For some reason I thought she hadn't vanished yet.

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7 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Is India ever on the show by this point? For some reason I thought she hadn't vanished yet.

No and it's so strange to me. At this point, she was last on the first week of February, so we're 6 weeks now without India. For a "legacy" character to come back many years later, you'd think they'd use her more. I wonder what happened there.

8 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I was going through the thread to find some of the '50s GL articles I'd posted long ago and given that we are still discussing so much of Marland's run, I thought I'd point out that on page 95 there's a 4-page August 1982 Daytimers interview with Marland and L Virginia Browne. There's also a nice photo at the top of the page of Robert Newman and Jennifer Cooke (looking more animated than she often did on GL), in matching leather. @DeeVee you may like that as it's another reminder of the improvement of the character/actress post-Kelly.

There's also a behind the scenes look at the show from March 1977's TV Mirror, on page 53.

@alwaysAMC That was a fun interview with Kim. Thanks. And thanks for your recaps.

I had totally forgotten that the clone story returned around this point.

Johnny Cochran was, I think, maybe trying for some court or legal show around this time? Either way, the OJ heyday was long gone. I don't remember him being too unnatural onscreen.

A shame more wasn't done with this Blake and Cassie "sister" bond.

Is India ever on the show by this point? For some reason I thought she hadn't vanished yet.

Ironic that by the time the Marland/Browne interview hit the stands, Marland's out.

9 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I was going through the thread to find some of the '50s GL articles I'd posted long ago and given that we are still discussing so much of Marland's run, I thought I'd point out that on page 95 there's a 4-page August 1982 Daytimers interview with Marland and L Virginia Browne. There's also a nice photo at the top of the page of Robert Newman and Jennifer Cooke (looking more animated than she often did on GL), in matching leather. @DeeVee you may like that as it's another reminder of the improvement of the character/actress post-Kelly.

Thanks for pointing us to this. Ironic, that 1982 was actually Marland's weakest year at GL and he was out before it ended, as @P.J. pointed out.

The most overwhelming thing I get from this interview? "It's my way or the highway." He thought the head writer (i.e., him) should be involved in everything from casting to costumes--and I understand wanting that power, but the reality is those things are ultimately the producer's domain. Like it or not, media like television and film are colaborative efforts. I think the era of the soap opera writer having a lot of power died with Irna Phillips. Long had her opinion overriden about casting at least two times that we know of--she didn't want Zimmer at first, and she wanted a different actress to play Samantha.

He wanted no pushback, no "negativity." (i.e. "Hey, your multiple personality storyline is a clunker and is turning off viewers, maybe you should end it.")

It goes very far to explain why Marland walked out when Elliot was fired and he was forced to end her storyline. Long also left her final tenure because they nixed her desire to add a Jewish family to the cast. So I'm not saying it's just him. Unless you're a Bell whose family still owns the show, it's the reality of the genre.

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3 hours ago, alwaysAMC said:

No and it's so strange to me. At this point, she was last on the first week of February, so we're 6 weeks now without India. For a "legacy" character to come back many years later, you'd think they'd use her more. I wonder what happened there

The show was so obsessed with Jeva that everyone else is an afterthought. They are clearing the decks for Reva's next GREAT story, SanCrud, and building newbies around her. Both Alex and India disappear and we are told they are "traveling Europe" together, which makes no sense. Plus Rauch supposedly said MKA was a "dog"

I don't think any soap knew what to do with MKA, which is a shame.

2 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

The show was so obsessed with Jeva that everyone else is an afterthought. They are clearing the decks for Reva's next GREAT story, SanCrud, and building newbies around her. Both Alex and India disappear and we are told they are "traveling Europe" together, which makes no sense. Plus Rauch supposedly said MKA was a "dog"

That's disgusting, although it's typical of him. I wonder why he even asked her onto the show in the first place.

3 minutes ago, P.J. said:

I don't think any soap knew what to do with MKA, which is a shame.

GL was the only show she was ever a regular on, although that may be down to others not wanting her, I don't know. She was well-liked by ATWT viewers, so if she'd wanted to stay that's always a big "what might have been" for me, although that period of ATWT was so moribund I doubt she would have had anything interesting to do if she'd stayed.

2 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

That's disgusting, although it's typical of him. I wonder why he even asked her onto the show in the first place.

GL was the only show she was ever a regular on, although that may be down to others not wanting her, I don't know. She was well-liked by ATWT viewers, so if she'd wanted to stay that's always a big "what might have been" for me, although that period of ATWT was so moribund I doubt she would have had anything interesting to do if she'd stayed.

True, and maybe she didn't want to do long stints on soaps. But she was delightful, and really stood out in some rough patches of the show.

15 hours ago, alwaysAMC said:

I'm living in a time warp... haha. Also, this young man is living his best life. I really do think Kim is a fun lady and I wish I could have known her. But gosh, this time warp messes with your mind haha!

I'm a big east coast fan and I'm trying to get over there more often each year. Knowing Kim does these regional plays, as does Robert Newman and others on the east coast... I think I'll make it a point to align future trips with their shows so I can see them live while they're still around :)

Nice interview. I like the respect shown to Zimmer's daytime roots. There are so many interviewers who can't even be bothered to know the names of the characters or their stories.

2 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

The show was so obsessed with Jeva that everyone else is an afterthought. They are clearing the decks for Reva's next GREAT story, SanCrud, and building newbies around her. Both Alex and India disappear and we are told they are "traveling Europe" together, which makes no sense. Plus Rauch supposedly said MKA was a "dog"

This is so true. I thought GL had a hard on for Harley but now that I think about it, Reva and Josh (especially Reva), almost always had a front burner story. Amnesia, clones, princess, Jonathan, etc. Even the March 199 write up from @alwaysAMC made me snicker a bit. Why were Reva and Josh even thinking about another kid at that point? Unless this was the set up to San Cristobel and Jonathan reveals.

Speaking of 1999, I've moved on to the origins of Manny, which started that year. The chemistry was just so perfect.

@alwaysAMC is reminding me why I hated B&E. I will admit that 1998 wasn't that bad, besides the Teri Demarco stuff- but a large part of that was casting. IIRC, things don't get better 😆 and Lloyd Gold is even worse but that's a year away. There is a brief novelty factor when the island people come on- but its a lot of new characters at once. Between the mob, the island and reva, there's hardly room for anyone else to get story.

At the time TPTB said to the soap press was they were focusing on Reva, Michelle and Cassie as the three tentpoles/focus of the show. For what's it worth.

19 minutes ago, CrazySexyQ said:

This is so true. I thought GL had a hard on for Harley but now that I think about it, Reva and Josh (especially Reva), almost always had a front burner story. Amnesia, clones, princess, Jonathan, etc. Even the March 199 write up from @alwaysAMC made me snicker a bit. Why were Reva and Josh even thinking about another kid at that point? Unless this was the set up to San Cristobel and Jonathan reveals

If they'd told the story properly, Reva and Josh wanting to be parents again because they never got to raise Marah and Shayne properly (especially Reva) could have been interesting, particularly if Reva hadn't been able to conceive and had turned to being a foster parent or adopting a child.

Reva was always heavy in story, yes. I didn't really mind because I thought Zimmer sold what she was given and never became cold the way Beth Ehlers did, but I really don't believe B&E knew what to do with her most of the time. She's at a real loss by the time they leave. That continues for a long while where things just happen to Reva (she's blind, she's stalked, she is a psychic, etc.). For as much as she disdained Ellen Wheeler, Wheeler was the one who put more of a jolt back into Reva's identity and storylines.

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31 minutes ago, CrazySexyQ said:

Even the March 199 write up from @alwaysAMC made me snicker a bit. Why were Reva and Josh even thinking about another kid at that point? Unless this was the set up to San Cristobel and Jonathan reveals.

Right? Aside from Reva's supposed risk at even carrying a baby after Marah (gee, she only had three children after that...) why would Josh want to risk Reva going through another post partum depression? Not that Josh didn't want kids, but he never seemed overly concerned with having them.