I don't mind Abby either. She's the least of the problems the show has.

I don't mind her since she's hardly ever on anyway, and yeah, the damage done to the same characters that always drive story with this writing regime are much deeper and unforgivable...

I don't mean to pick on Abby or say she's the worst problem, I guess I just think this year has been very traumatic for her and I wish they had tried to show some of her emotions, although I know the actress couldn't pull it off anyway. I miss the normal soap kids we saw struggle, like Andy on ATWT, Michelle on GL.

The show is sick perveted trash. The last scene between Ashley and Adam told where this is going. Why did Adam stop Ashley from being taken away?? Wasn't that his purpose of driving her mad? Or does he just want to continue driving her more nuts than she already is?? Patty and Paul....geeesh....just bad. And I guess Sharon can leave her room anytime she wants. What a great place to keep nutjobs....LOL

We can't have normal soap kids on the show since we don't even have normal adults, normal teens, normal women... normal show. I feel so bad about it. I want to start watching again but it's getting worse then ever before.

The show is sick perveted trash. The last scene between Ashley and Adam told where this is going. Why did Adam stop Ashley from being taken away?? Wasn't that his purpose of driving her mad? Or does he just want to continue driving her more nuts than she already is?? Patty and Paul....geeesh....just bad. And I guess Sharon can leave her room anytime she wants. What a great place to keep nutjobs....LOL

It's bad, bad, bad... And it's got Hogie and Scottie written all over it, with a naive Maria just okaying everything. Ugh.

The show is sick perveted trash.

Yep and even when they try to be obviously trashy, they can't do it. LOL! So they're unintentionally trashy.

The last scene between Ashley and Adam told where this is going. Why did Adam stop Ashley from being taken away?? Wasn't that his purpose of driving her mad?

You'd need a writing regime that understands character motivation to get your answer. This writing team obviously doesn't know that...

Or does he just want to continue driving her more nuts than she already is??

Yep and what makes this misogynistic and badly plotted storyline even worse now is that Adam is intentionally mind raping Ashley in full mode now...

Edited August 26, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I really thought Phyllis discovered the truth today but they backed out of it yet again. As bad as this is, its a shame bc it really is Y&R'S best story. Im ready to drop AMC and it looks like Y&R wont be too far behind

You got to wonder if ED is looking at DOOL with some nostalgia right about now. How strange that DOOL is a paragon of girl power compared to Y&R.

It's bad, bad, bad... And it's got Hogie and Scottie written all over it, with a naive Maria just okaying everything. Ugh.

That's my suspicion, too, but are we being sexist if we see it this way? I am not sure which is worse. Either MAB is fully responsible for this misogynistic garbage and this is her vision or she's some weak-brained girl who is being led around by the nose by the Nasty Boys.

Even if this shite is coming from Sheffer or Hamner, MAB is ultimately responsible. How she can sit back and let them write this [!@#$%^&*] is beyond me.

ESPECIALLY that nightmare of a "story" between Ashley and Adam.

Not to mention Deacon's rape of Amber...

or Patty's evidently complete co-dependance on a man 25+ years removed from her life...

or Sharon's shoplifting to make up for her "true love" committing to another woman...

I wonder if HACKffer and HACKner get their rocks off writing stories of weak women, that have no identity outside of the men in their lives.

Edited August 26, 200916 yr by Greg's GL

Nothing to discuss about today's episode???

Or should I take it as "no news is good news" kinda thing?

Nothing to discuss about today's episode???

Or should I take it as "no news is good news" kinda thing?

With this show right now, you might as well. LOL!

Chompers is our new Nick, with the bitterness and sarcasm lifted from Jack. He wants Mac. He wants Chloe. He really just wants both women to revolve around him, and why wouldn't they? He's such a catch. A walking STD pamphlet with a chip on his shoulder and bad mommy issues.

What they're doing with Jill continues to depress me. She continues to work at this nail job for no other reason than to be degraded, and now she apparently thinks she can pay off 100K in taxes by working extra shifts? Why do I get the sense that Hogan, Hamner, Rauch and MAB believe Jill only lasted in the business world because she was once married to John, not because of her own abilities? Today's version of Jill would have been on the breadline before she could say "Well, hello!" to her emory board.

I love Jess Walton but I almost wish Brenda Dickson had this story because it is such nonsense that she would make it extremely entertaining. She would act like she owned the place and at least then I could understand why Jill believes filing nails gets you hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Even if this shite is coming from Sheffer or Hamner, MAB is ultimately responsible. How she can sit back and let them write this [!@#$%^&*] is beyond me.

ESPECIALLY that nightmare of a "story" between Ashley and Adam.

Not to mention Deacon's rape of Amber...

or Patty's evidently complete co-dependance on a man 25+ years removed from her life...

or Sharon's shoplifting to make up for her "true love" committing to another woman...

I wonder if HACKffer and HACKner get their rocks off writing stories of weak women, that have no identity outside of the men in their lives.

How long is this Ashley/Adam thing suppose to last?

apparently Adam's lies are going to be revealed.

Amber is going to fall in love with Deacon right?

I thought Patty was just living her life with no intention of getting Jack then Victor came and persuaded her to do this.

Wasn't Sharon's shoplifting suppose to be about Brad and Cassie dying?

Wasn't Sharon's shoplifting suppose to be about Brad and Cassie dying?

They claimed she had shoplifted since she was a young girl.

I think they just make the reason up as they go along.

Chompers is our new Nick, with the bitterness and sarcasm lifted from Jack. He wants Mac. He wants Chloe. He really just wants both women to revolve around him, and why wouldn't they? He's such a catch. A walking STD pamphlet with a chip on his shoulder and bad mommy issues.

What they're doing with Jill continues to depress me. She continues to work at this nail job for no other reason than to be degraded, and now she apparently thinks she can pay off 100K in taxes by working extra shifts? Why do I get the sense that Hogan, Hamner, Rauch and MAB believe Jill only lasted in the business world because she was once married to John, not because of her own abilities? Today's version of Jill would have been on the breadline before she could say "Well, hello!" to her emory board.

They write any man in a love triangle that way. Remember when Neil was in the love triangle with Karen and Tyra? I'm sure you don't because it was lame. He would tell Karen he loved her and he would get an ego boost from Tyra. That's why I was shocked when JT told Colleen that his wife and child came first. He even ended his friendship with her for his wife. I liked the character even more when he did that, just like I fell for Chance when he defended his grandmother from Billy.

Just be glad they don't have Jill beg Billy for money. (If they had I must have missed it).

Edited August 26, 200916 yr by lovely_m