And I rest my case, I never said they were neglected. I even mentioned them being on the B list. I stated that you're acting like Lane is the one at the top and being shoved down your throats 24/27 when that is not true. Why aren't you calling out the other top 12 characters, you don't like them fine but there is a huge difference between 80 and 56.

I have called out the top 12 characters, they just weren't featured as prominently as Lane was this week. When they are, I'll be here shouting it out from the rooftops.

I never said you said they were neglected, but 56 episodes when the person who leads has 80 is not a lot to me. It's the same 15 characters on this show in frontburer story after frontburner story.

I also don't perceive a 24 episode different between the #1 most used character and the #13 most used character to be a huge difference.

Not to mention, that is just an ep count, not the amt of minutes each character was on as well. If you're talking about airtime and episodes, then you ought to be an equal opportunity basher. But like I've said, Ive lurked here and it has nothing to do with that but a bashing of a particular fanbase who aren't well represented on this board. The fact is to tell a frontburner sl, you need to be on at least 3 days a week imo otherwise what's the point? So that's why Lane is onscreen

Well, when Lane is usually on, I don't perceive them to be getting throwaway scenes and supporting other characters.

How do you know I'm not an equal opportunity basher? Have you seen my posts about the Quad, this Phillip III storylines, and the show in general?

Again, I don't see anyone bashing Lane fans, I see people bashing this couple because they aren't fond of them and they do not like seeing them onscreen. Especially when they're the only couple on this show explored in a romantic way, while others are neglected and romance doesn't exist elsewhere. I happen to think their storylines are generally silly, they have no chemistry, both characters lack depth and are poorly defined, and their relationship drama is overexposed to me. You may disagree with all of these things, and you're free to state that, as are people who don't feel that way.

Exactly, I'm not saying there aren't many in worse position then Lane. But to say they're overexposed is a stretch. Until rec9ently, they're storylines has them in a bubble with only the Winters.

You might not think they're not overexposed, but many do. Ever since they've been together, their relationship has been driving storylines consistently on this show, even when they were "broken up" for a while. Lily's pregnancy, Lily's miscarriage, Chole coming between then, Delia's conception, Billy's arrival in town and him dating Lily for a while, Delia's custody battle, Lane reuniting and getting married soon afterward, Cane being exposed as a fraud and Lily dumping him, and now Lily's cancer. That's a lot of content for a couple that's only been together for like a year and a half, and even then, a lot of their time was spent apart "longing" for each other.

And when I said overexposed, I meant their relationship drama was overexposed. For a couple that hasn't even been together for two years, their relationship has gotten more story attention and and drama than couples who have been together longer and whose actors have a longer history on this show, like Michael and Lauren, for example.

It would be nice if both characters had storylines where it wasn't about pimping their great love or about why they should be together. Like a storyline that primarily focused on one of the characters in the relationship as his/her spouse played a supporting role that had nothing to do with their relationship and why they should or shouldn't be together.

Billy for example is in every storyline known to man, he's in Lily's, BAC, Chloe/Chance and now I betcha the business sl. This is how soaps work, they have the A, B, and C cast and ocassionally they rotate. I have no problems with ptb spreading the wealth between contract players, some are recurring. But if you're going to pick on certain characters as being airtime hogs when they're in the middle of the pack and leave out the main culprits, well it makes you wonder.

Lane got picked on because they were the main story this week. I might say if you're going to accuse people of picking on your favourite couple and not giving the same treatment to other characters, then you have to read their posts in relation to other things happening on this show. Clearly, you haven't read my rants on the other frontburner characters that have been hogging up airtime on this show.

There's a lot of unbalanced use of the cast, and I'm not buying this A, B, C cast stuff. When Bill Bell, Kay Alden, and Jack Smith wrote this show, generally everyone was written for and a lot of rotation happened. There's no reason why the same can't happen now.

Edited July 26, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

My main problem with Lane is that they were rebounding from failed marriages and supposedly fell deeply in love instantly about a year and a half ago, were together a few months, then were broken apart for 8 months, and now in just six months we have gone from Lily dating/sleeping with Billy and Cane feeling closer to Chloe to a superfast reconcilaiation, engagement, and marriage that culminated in a May wedding.

Now two months later they have broken up because of Cane's lies, Lily is fighting cancer and their love is being tested. What is the big rush? If they slowed down maybe I could feel this deep love instead of just being told it exists. And why can't this young woman actually be focusing on her career instead of worrying about pumping out a dozen kids for her husband who is pushing 40. They should have played the age/generation gap more with this couple instead of making them some "idealized" version of love.

A very good summary about how this couple and their relationship drama has been so overexposed on this show in only like a year and a half.

Edited July 26, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I don't mind this latest Lane story actually. I think the actors are doing well and the story is actually making me feel something. But it is not the Lane love that is moving me, it is the thought that a young woman of 22 has cancer and how it effects those around her and her own mortality. So many can relate to this story sadly. It has heart, but I think if you put any couple in this situation and it would have heart.

My main problem with Lane is that they were rebounding from failed marriages and supposedly fell deeply in love instantly about a year and a half ago, were together a few months, then were broken apart for 8 months, and now in just six months we have gone from Lily dating/sleeping with Billy and Cane feeling closer to Chloe to a superfast reconcilaiation, engagement, and marriage that culminated in a May wedding.

Now two months later they have broken up because of Cane's lies, Lily is fighting cancer and their love is being tested. What is the big rush? If they slowed down maybe I could feel this deep love instead of just being told it exists. And why can't this young woman actually be focusing on her career instead of worrying about pumping out a dozen kids for her husband who is pushing 40. They should have played the age/generation gap more with this couple instead of making them some "idealized" version of love.

But at least they are better that the QUAD who have all become jokes in this never ending game of relationship ping pong.

You've summed up the whole reason behind my indifference to this story. If you drop obstacle after obstacle upon a soap character without developing a proper solid foundation, then their travails have very little impact.

I still don't know why Lily and Cane love each other. Does she love his pectorals? He, her glowing skin?

Goddard needs to become a part of another storyline. Maybe Cane and Tyra or Cane and Mac (that great love story has already begun rolling as she's basically his only talk-to and because of his potent rivalry with Billy).

Lily should meet a bunch of new characters through her resurgent successful modeling career, focusing on her career since the cancer scare. She'd enjoy the highs for about a year after the cancer story is over then slowly fall into a drug binge pushing everyone away a la Gia and slowly come out of it stronger than ever.

I know the networks don't want to play a drug story; but, there are so many damn socialites on this show. Why can't there at least be a bitchy hard-partying, irresponsible girl wreaking havoc and disaster? And at this point in Lily's life, with a cheating husband and no possibility of biological children, she should be that socialite. I don't get why none of the young women on this show at least have an edge?

Goddard needs to become a part of another storyline. Maybe Cane and Tyra or Cane and Mac (that great love story has already begun rolling as she's basically his only talk-to and because of his potent rivalry with Billy).

For me the lack of believability in the Cane/Billy rivalry was one of many reasons the story with Chloe/Lily/Cane/Billy was a miss. All we got was that Billy hated how close he was to Jill and how Cane was involved with the business, even though up to that point Billy had had no real interest in either Jill or the business until his return. I felt like they hated each other only because the script said so, just as Billy suddenly loved Lily and just as suddenly stopped caring about her because the script said so.

I think every interaction Billy has with a male character in his family ends with him seeming petty. I don't know why this character always has to be so whiny, or have such bitterness.

Mac is such a drain that I can't see her being any more interesting with Cane than she is with Billy, especially if she, like most of the women on the show, exists only for the men in her life. Then again, it's hard to imagine anything being less interesting than Mac and Billy.

I wish they could just send Billy away for five or six months and then have him return as less of the whiny sleaze. Right now he's carrying so much baggage I can't get into any of his scenes, because it's always "me me me". He's also very sanctimonious, and he pretends to care about other people when he always seems to care about them only in a way which benefits himself.

Edited July 26, 200916 yr by CarlD2

Well. My Deacon crush has officially been extinguished. Thanks, Y&R.

I loved Chloe rediscovering her inner Waldorf and slapping a smooch on Chance. But really, the wacky hi-jinks music? C'mon, Y&R. We don't need music to clue us in on Liz Hendricksen's brand of snark.

Question: is Bradley Bell writing the show?

I don't think Brad could do any worse than what's already on there...

That was retconned when she f**ked Thomas on B&B. Remember? Stephanie took her to University and asked the doctor if there was any way possible that a) Amber could conceive again and if Amber was pregnant. Yes to A, No to B. That's IIRC.

Forgive me if it has already been posted, just catching up, but Amber wasn't infertile. I think she was told she shouldn't have children because she donated a kidney to Rick and it puts the mothers life in serious danger to add the extra strain on the one. She was talking to Daniel about getting married and having children a few months ago so she doesn't seem to care.

Forgive me if it has already been posted, just catching up, but Amber wasn't infertile. I think she was told she shouldn't have children because she donated a kidney to Rick and it puts the mothers life in serious danger to add the extra strain on the one. She was talking to Daniel about getting married and having children a few months ago so she doesn't seem to care.

OH.....right on!

I started watching after the kidney thing. I thought they told her at Death Valley that she'd never be able to carry a baby to term again.

And I guess the dumb dumb Forresters took that as, "She'd never be able to get preggers again." Because I remember Stephanie freaking out about Amber puking and she asked Amber if she could get pregnant.