At this point I'm starting to forget Billy has even met Ashley, Colleen, or Traci.

Can you blame him for forgetting about Colleen?

Can you blame him for forgetting about Colleen?

Even I forget about her half the time.

His scenes with her were tolerable, which is more than I can say for anything with his character in months and months.

Even I forget about her half the time.

His scenes with her were tolerable, which is more than I can say for anything with his character in months and months.

I can't stand Billy any more. I can't believe I used to like his character. Now I just want him to leave town for a few years.

Billy has been a poorly developed character almost from the middle of the David Tom era. This big touted recast could have been a chance to finally in him down but instead he seems more confused than ever. I'm still surprised at how uneventful those scenes today with Mac were. Billy and Mac have been in love for TEN YEARS. This is the first time they made love. I don't even really know if anyone at Y&R is enthused, even though Jill and Katherine were unrelated for the story.

the whole damn scene was cr*p.

Exactly.

Jess broke my heart.

Yes, throughout the scenes and that final shot of her looking shocked... it was just

Of course this can be done. And this is where you need to have the guts to make the characters diverse in their perspectives. What is Jill encouraged P4 to lie so he could keep his job? What if Nina pushed him to be honest? What if P4 and Devon became friends and that bothered Neil? What if Chloe fell for him and tried to "convert" him? There are million places to take a young gay military man. What if P4 was sneaking around trying to date Rafe? P4 could be found out, go through a military discharge and then integrated into the cast (maybe become a cop or head of security at Chancellor). It would be something that would haunt the character and inform him. It would also force the audience to reconsider their support of Don't Ask Don't Tell -- how ridiculous it is that this law is keeping men like P4 from serving.

What a wonderful story.

I guess there we have the difference of those who look at the big picture and those who try harder to see some good in inane plots. In the grand scheme of things was reversing Phillip III's death really worth this type of character assassination? Did they really have to reverse one of the most iconic moments of this show's history that drove story for YEARS, just to make Phillip III into a someone who abandoned his infant child and someone who sent an impostor to fill his place in a family that though was dysfunctional, loved him very much? I just can't get passed how ridiculous this whole thing is, how it hurts the Phillip III character in the long run, how it rewrites MORE history, and how lame it all is to just enjoy scenes. But that's just me.

Hearing it all summed up reveals its awfulness even more!

How on Earth was that scene of reveal good? How? All I saw was sloppily written, losing momentum as seconds pass by scene that crashed and burned. A scene that was supposed to remain for ages will most likely end up in the trash tomorrow.

Yes. Just when it was starting to build the tension, it would drop it and then jerkily start again, only to drop it. And let's not forget that whole "why would you do this? WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?" segway into P3's entrance. Which sucked as well.

DG was one of the best actors during those scenes.

TB didn't even try to act. Horrible soap entrance. How did he show up like that? Perhaps he has been living in an underground city underneath the Chancellor estate all these years. I hate this character for being such a ^%$^$%^£%$UHLC!£":@ and I hate MAB for destroying Bill Bell's legacy in order to hire her friend and give his character a twenty year old boy toy.

Yes, I was very pleasantly surprised by him, it was the first time his acting had any resonance.

Yes. I believe others have said as well: She destroyed the show's history even MORE in order to correct something that destroyed the show's history. I mean.... Wow.

During the Korbel story, did they reference Traci having an affair with her professor?

I recall Traci telling Colleen at the Abbott mansion.

^^^I think I'm going to make a list of all the holes in this story for the Potpourri thread soon.

Yes, please do!

* Solid stuff from Morrow/Bergman/Braeden.

* Some beautiful stuff with MTS.

* Stafford kicking ass all over the place.

* Both the Patty/MJ and Phillip/Cane reveals.

Phyllis is a bitch and need to die. However, I have to admit I liked moments from those hospital scenes. Also, as is always the case , I didn't like what you did. I liked

• Chloe's scene with Billy and Mac; EH totally rocked, but weirdly... Mac wasn't bad. I particularly liked Mac's line about how Chloe and Billy like torturing each other for fun and Chloe's line about tripping and falling onto that bed. I loved Chloe's "You didn't have the guts" too.
  
• I loved Jill's scenes with Kay. Jeanne's acting was superb, as it always is. A great actor can prove himself/herself in one line ("I don't feel well!"). The scene where Mac is checking on Kay was very good, too.
  
• I liked Jill's little encounter with Victor.
  
• I didn't have a problem with Khalil/Nina exchange.
  
• Billy/Jack was good
  
• Nina in every scene.
  
  I hated:
  
  

  • the Scoobies
    
  • Sharon praying in the hospital, Nick talking to God too, Sharon seeing Nick and Phyllis (twice! She left then came back... )
    
  • I thought the majority were horribly dressed, so I disagree with Elsa. I liked Jill's belt and that turquoise thing, Mac dressed like a Vestal and Heather in Wednesday's episode. Nina was dressed OK, too.
    
  • Too many hospital scenes...

Edited July 4, 200916 yr by Sylph

Even I forget about her half the time.

His scenes with her were tolerable, which is more than I can say for anything with his character in months and months.

You mean when TS was playing flirty looking like she wanted to jump her uncle's bones on the show?

Love Miller...the boy is talented...but the writing is destroying him...just add him to the list now of characters destroyed by the writing.

Edited July 4, 200916 yr by loveshery&r

Love Miller...the boy is talented...but the writing is destroying him...

I love him, too and totally agree that the writing for the character is atrocious.

^^^^I don't think anyone can dispute that Miller can act, however, for them to score someone who reminds people so much of Peter Bergman, who exudes chem w/ everyone (other than that CF whom they are insistent on pushing on us even though they are dull as doornails together)--the boy just shines. Unfortunately, they have turned his character into such a cad but I guess considering the overall state of the show, he's the least of our worries...

Edited July 4, 200916 yr by loveshery&r

You guys are crazy to be so critical of a one-line sentence. Bierdz can still deliver - just wait. Holy Moses, people you gave Clementine Ford a freaking 3 months of grace cause she says in the press, she "sucked her first FEW weeks" and Thommy actually has been on the show before and he had some great moments.

It really is preposterous. Even me saying "his face showed resolve" is preposterous. It was TEN seconds. We all need to chill .

Are they going to say that Philip met his brother Billy before? Philip died 20 years ago but now Billy is older than that.

Ooh. Good point. But even Chance is going to be written in his early 20s (and I think Driscoll is older). My guess is that the exact years may now be undefined...it they'll be talking about "after all these years".

Am I right that they removed the birth-death years from his tombstone when we last saw it??

So holes and all or whatever--Friday was fun. It was fun to sit down and watch and get caught up in the drama of it all. I loved the last moment--it was a Friday cliffhanger to me, and even though I knew it was coming, it was totally cool to see it all happen.

Trica C is love. Seriously, having her back has made me excited about it, and not watching the first time around, it's been a nice way to get caught up.

Lily--ugh, seriously she was the bad moment for me.

I am frustrated that we finally kind of get Chloe breaking away from Billy and putting herself first, only to have Mac now totally lieing and changing for Billy. I so want him dropped kicked to the curb by both ladies.

Billy has been a poorly developed character almost from the middle of the David Tom era. This big touted recast could have been a chance to finally in him down but instead he seems more confused than ever. I'm still surprised at how uneventful those scenes today with Mac were. Billy and Mac have been in love for TEN YEARS. This is the first time they made love. I don't even really know if anyone at Y&R is enthused, even though Jill and Katherine were unrelated for the story.

C'mon dude let's be real. They're no longer teenagers. In today's society the whole first time notion is pretty much dead. People just want to f-ck. It would be silly to have Mac/Billy have some romantic love making scene (which I'm sure TPTB Will soon realize and do), especially after Mac has been with JT. They aren't virgins, so let's strap a condom on and go.

It really is preposterous. Even me saying "his face showed resolve" is preposterous. It was TEN seconds. We all need to chill .

Quite frankly, it's stupid, and makes the argument even less serious.

If it's anything, I thought Bierdz was horrible in Monday's episode, thankfully Cast and Walton were there to save that sh!t.

Without giving anything away, I hate how Bierdz is playing EVERYTHING the same way with the same expression. He's also acting in a condescending tone, like Jill, Nina, and Katherine are a bunch of idiots that don't deserve the be in his presence, yet we're supposed to believe that according to Phillip III he loved his family, so that's why he sent Cane for them? Not feeling Bierdz AT ALL, I think he thinks he's doing some type of comedy. Even when he claims he's did all of this to save them any trouble, it feels like he's rolling his eyes the entire time.

It's one thing to be green and uncomfortable 20 years ago, it's another thing to be even worse 20 years after. I know he hasn't been acting much, but he couldn't spare at least one acting class when he knew this was a big storyline and that he would have to bring it with Cast, Cooper, and Walton?

But, since he admitted that he wasn't interested in acting when he returned recently and it appears he's more dedicated now, we'll have to see if there's a noticeable change in his acting down the line.

I, of course, had major problems with the scenes in Monday's US episode, I will of course post in detail about them on Monday. I know you're all dying to hear it!

Edited July 4, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

For someone who hates the show so passionately, you sure are in a hurry to catch the day ahead show and criticize, LoL.

For someone who hates the show so passionately, you sure are in a hurry to catch the day ahead show and criticize, LoL.

I love Y&R, I just hate what's it is in its current state and how idiotic these plots and the holes in them are. I had to see the this day ahead to see if there was any change with Bierdz, and sadly, there wasn't. LOL!

Bitching/criticizing is fun!

Edited July 4, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner