Imfan... I think what your'e missing is that although Adam DID look "sick" as you say after doing the deed... the question is WHY did he look sick? Was it because he used Rafe to distract him, and felt guilty? Was it the sex itself because he's straight? Or was it because he had the sex, and LIKED IT, and is now having to deal with that? That's where all the ambiguity lies. Is it groudbreaking? YES, YES, and YES... because theyr'e not doing this Politically correct SL, a gay character is being USED, like so many straight women over the years. True equality is having a storyline such as this, where they are not afraid to make a gay caracter imperfect, for fear of media backlash. And it makes all KINDS of sense that Rafe would have sex with Adam, instead of continuing to look for evidence. He can have better opporotunity to look for evidence later, when Adam's guard is down.... or even get Adam to let something slip (when all of his blood is in his penis, and not in his brain) Or... Rafe may just have been HORNY. MAB said that this gay SL would be told in a different way than what has been done before. And this is what I see. I agree that Rafe needed more development, the scoobies needed FAR less screen time in the last month, and RAfe needed more. I guess that episode a week or so back (Where Yani Gellman was wearing teh tight jeans) was supposed to be our setup for this, Rafe saying things like "Whatever you need, I'm here for you..." and the caring and concern RAfe was showing Adam, getting him aspirins, telling him he was entitled to blow off steam, etc...

That is asking the audience to read an awful lot into those scenes and most fans just watch it one time and I think they will have the impression I did especially because he immediately called Heather as soon as Rafe left and nearly attacked her as soon as she came into his room. I don't see many viewing Adam as regretting his manipulation of Rafe because Estella and Ashley have been good to Adam and he has had little problem manipulating them. I think this was just to show how far Adam will go to cover his actions. He is just a user, coward and whiner. I still can't believe this person was raised by Hope. Adam is unredeamable at this point.

I guess one could also say that Adam liked what he did with Rafe and was shocked or in denial about his feelings, but I think it will be viewed by many as Adam wanting to reassert his heterosexuality with Heather. And what does it say for Rafe that he is accusing Adam of setting up his beloved aunt and yet all that goes out the window when Adam comes on to Rafe? Sure sometimes you just jump at an opportunity, especially if you are attracted to someone and are lonely, but to throw his aunt under the bus? No. The only rationale would be if Rafe was setting up Adam, but there was no hint of that on screen, just something the audience is creating to rationalize this story. And if he really thinks that Adam is this evil person, then why would he have no problem having sex with him?

To me, this was poorly set up. If they had shown Rafe pining a bit more for Adam or developing their friendship then I might be able to buy it. And sure women have been manipulated and used like Rafe on soaps for decades, but this is a first for Y&R and I don't care for the message they are sending. If I thought it was more than for shock value maybe I could see things more your way, but when I combine these latest scenes with some of the writing lately I just don't have much confidence in this team.

Edited June 29, 200916 yr by lmfan

Thanks for pointing out a legitimate reason for that lack of flirtation on Rafe's part. And he thought Adam was straight, why would he even try? Muhney has done ADMIRABLY well, considering he's been thrown into the deep end of the pool like this. My only complaint is this: we got to see Muhney wet and wrapped in a towel (Quite HAWT, BTW) but we STILL have yet to get Yani Gellman out of his clothes??? DAMMIT. I do love these sly little beats that Yani plays in these scenes... like today, when he told Adam... "I can go, or I can stay"... on that "I can stay" line, he had this little mona lisa smile on his face as if to say, "I can stay, and we can go again" .

Wasn't aware that even an issue, that's how out of the loop I am! But you don't go around flirting with str8 guys just cause you're gay. Especially if they're paying you to be their attorney. i will say that it was rather foolish of Rafe to just go up to Adam's room and demand to to ransack the place. Don't know what legal grounds a defense attorney can do that on, but that was all that didn't make sense of their scenes.

That was...disappointing. They couldn't even let us have one little kiss? Tell me it wouldn't have been hot. If I weren't on SON, I'm not even sure I would have known what happened. I'm usually doing some sort of housework while this show is on (yes, yes I'm a character out of Mad Men I know), so it's very likely I would have missed it when they couldn't even give us a little skin. Maybe that's what they were hoping for?

Sharon and the never ending soap prayer. SHUT UP SHARON! If god does exist, he doesn't give a damn about your sexcapades and he isn't going to punish Summer due to who you've banged. Get over yourself.

Edited June 29, 200916 yr by Juliajms

Sure sometimes you just jump at an opportunity, especially if you are attracted to someone and are lonely, but to throw his aunt under the bus? No. The only rationale would be if Rafe was setting up Adam, but there was no hint of that on screen, just something the audience is creating to rationalize this story.

We havne't yet seen him throw his aunt under the bus, so I have to say, that's every BIT as much a rationalization on your part to poo-poo the SL , as much as the idea of Rafe using Adam is a rationalization on MY part. There has been no hint of Rafe using Adam onscreen, but why would the writers hint at EVERYTHING. It ruins the elemnt of surprise. You've got to have stories that are ambiguous, and leave peopole to wonder... it keeps the audience tuning in. I do agree Rafe needed more development, that episode I mentioned before (the only one where Yani wore jeans) where we had alot of Rafe/Adam interaction... we needed about 4 or 5 more of those.

I really liked the sense of deja vu when we saw Adam and Heather buttoning up their clothing. That was a nice touch.

I didn't like the fact that Rafe didn't have a hair out of place--that must have been really boring sex. Or really strong hairspray.

Edited June 29, 200916 yr by Scryber96

Sure sometimes you just jump at an opportunity, especially if you are attracted to someone and are lonely, but to throw his aunt under the bus? No. The only rationale would be if Rafe was setting up Adam, but there was no hint of that on screen, just something the audience is creating to rationalize this story. And if he really thinks that Adam is this evil person, then why would he have no problem having sex with him?

This whole chain of events happened in the span of maybe 30 mins to an hour. Rafe was stunned from the look on his face at the end of Friday's ep. Just like Heather can't see Adam for what he is, so Rafe is too. Rafe doesn't really have any proof Adam did anything wrong anyway. That's why Rafe was going to his room to find the proof. Now that he's fallen for Adam, he's blinded too. i don't see it as a betrayal of his Aunt, more of a succesful duping of Rafe by Adam. Adam has duped just about everyone but Nikki.

I really liked the sense of deja vu when we saw Adam and Heather buttoning up their clothing. That was a nice touch.

I didn't like the fact that Rafe didn't have a hair out of place--that must have been really boring sex. Or really strong hairspray.

Yeah - the no messy hair was bad.

This whole chain of events happened in the span of maybe 30 mins to an hour. Rafe was stunned from the look on his face at the end of Friday's ep. Just like Heather can't see Adam for what he is, so Rafe is too. Rafe doesn't really have any proof Adam did anything wrong anyway. That's why Rafe was going to his room to find the proof. Now that he's fallen for Adam, he's blinded too. i don't see it as a betrayal of his Aunt, more of a successful duping of Rafe by Adam. Adam has duped just about everyone but Nikki.

That's how I see it too.

I really liked the sense of deja vu when we saw Adam and Heather buttoning up their clothing. That was a nice touch.

I didn't like the fact that Rafe didn't have a hair out of place--that must have been really boring sex. Or really strong hairspray.

Yep... Gellman could benefit greatly from lossening up of that hairstyle, a part int eh middle, and a little stubble to make him look a few years older. He DOES look a bit older when he's in scenes with Kevin Schmidt.. but not with anyone else. Of course, if your'e a bottom who like to "ride the horsey", then your hair stays pretty nice.

I'd like them to genuinely tackle a bisexual SL: Adam, who's pretended for years that he's straight, is suddenly conflicted by his feelings for another man.

Michael Muhney is doing a great job so far, he looks good too, nice muscular body!

This whole chain of events happened in the span of maybe 30 mins to an hour. Rafe was stunned from the look on his face at the end of Friday's ep. Just like Heather can't see Adam for what he is, so Rafe is too. Rafe doesn't really have any proof Adam did anything wrong anyway. That's why Rafe was going to his room to find the proof. Now that he's fallen for Adam, he's blinded too. i don't see it as a betrayal of his Aunt, more of a succesful duping of Rafe by Adam. Adam has duped just about everyone but Nikki.

If they are playing this as Rafe being duped by Adam, then I don't know why this has to be so vague. The way it can be read now, it's almost like Rafe is just so in need of affection that with barely a second thought he gives it up to this weird man he barely knows and what he does know he has little reason to trust. They could have built up more of a relationship between them, this would have made the current story beat much more understandable.

I'd like them to genuinely tackle a bisexual SL: Adam, who's pretended for years that he's straight, is suddenly conflicted by his feelings for another man.

Michael Muhney is doing a great job so far, he looks good too, nice muscular body!

I'd like to see a bisexual story for another character, JT or Daniel. Adam has become such a monster, I don't care about his love life.

If they are playing this as Rafe being duped by Adam, then I don't know why this has to be so vague. The way it can be read now, it's almost like Rafe is just so in need of affection that with barely a second thought he gives it up to this weird man he barely knows and what he does know he has little reason to trust. They could have built up more of a relationship between them, this would have made the current story beat much more understandable.

I'd like to see a bisexual story for another character, JT or Daniel. Adam has become such a monster, I don't care about his love life.

That's the thing - this story isn't about love to me. More about lust and opportunity. Rafe realized that after the tryst, but he does have a crush on Adam, and seemingly has hope that Adam may be in the closet. I'm sure many wish there was romance or something deeper, but this story isn't. Rafe was seduced and blindsided - (not-so)pure and simple.

Edited June 29, 200916 yr by Cashton

I'd like them to genuinely tackle a bisexual SL: Adam, who's pretended for years that he's straight, is suddenly conflicted by his feelings for another man.

Michael Muhney is doing a great job so far, he looks good too, nice muscular body!

That could be interesting. Plus instead of having two gay characters in a bubble they can have a third person in the mix as a spoiler.

I hope Adam used condoms today. As Dorothy would say...CONDOMS..CONDOMS...CONDOMS...LOL

I hope Adam used condoms today. As Dorothy would say...CONDOMS..CONDOMS...CONDOMS...LOL

Haha! since their relationship is all about sex and seduction would've been nice to see a condom wrapper (preferably a magnum) lying on the floor. But I think the producers wanted to touch on this as slightly and as vaguely as possible.

I like Sharon Case, but did anyone find her scenes in the hospital chapel just painful today. Bad writing and the acting was not there. And the writers manipulate the Phick/Shick fanbases once again and those of us who don't care are stuck in this never ending quad while some of us never get to see our favorites get any screentime.

I was finally enjoying Phyllis when I though she was freeing herself from Nick and now this. And poor Jack getting pulled into this quad again. For what, to set up a babyswitch between Sharon and a hysterical pregnant Ashley. Either story is depressing. Sharon will lose a child after already losing Cassie and a previous daughter at birth or Ashley will lose another child after all her issues with lost babies.

Total word.