Members SFK Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 I'm sorry, but what bullsh!t. I feel sorry for my family so I'm gonna send some drifter (who looks damn near eight years younger than me) to Genoa City in my stead? Lord knows we've been forced to swallow crazier things, but sounds to me that the one saving grace of this story will be FINESSE. They'll have to work twice as hard to deliver this story in a palatable, emotionally (and mentally!) satisfying way for the viewer, slapdash slipshod storytelling just will not do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 How considerate! And his wife, and his son, who had to believe everything they had ever known about him was a lie -- how did this do anything for them but cause them even more pain? I hope Nina plugs lead into him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soapsuds Posted July 2, 2009 Members Share Posted July 2, 2009 Paul tells Nina that Cane's sample has been frozen, the frozen sample matches Jill but it is not Cane's blood. Cane finally admits to everyone that he lied about being Philip and that he did not do it for the money. He wants to explain but no one really wants to listen to him. When they are all asking him why on earth he would do this to all the people that he claims to love PHILLIP III walks in and says that Cane did not do it and it is his fault. Chloe tells Billy about Cane; Billy shows up and punches Cane; Phillip tells his family that his accident was planned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AmandainNC28655 Posted July 2, 2009 Members Share Posted July 2, 2009 What a cop out of a storyline!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted July 2, 2009 Members Share Posted July 2, 2009 Another "wonky" plot twist from the "vision" of love, Maria Arena Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 2, 2009 Members Share Posted July 2, 2009 This quote from Thom Bierdz makes me roll my eyes. So, it's only important to come back as gay, regardless of the damage done to your character by neglecting his infant son, the rest of his family, and undoing a death that was perhaps one of the most iconic moments in this show history? Does he honestly think that the damage this story is doing to his character because of his sexuality is a positive and honest portrayal of being gay in America? I know suicide rates are high for gay teens and all of that, but how many people FAKE their deaths simply because they're gay and basically throw away everyone that loves them? This is a shameful story that's both degrading and pisses on this show's history. Maria, you shouldn't have called Thom and accepted this inane idea for a storyline, but then again, Maria doesn't appear to know what a good and respectful storyline is anyway. http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/soaps/the-gays-of-summer-1584.html Oh friggin' please! So millions of straight people fake their deaths and neglect their families because they're straight each year? And how is he not a cartoon, when he not only faked his death, but he sent an impostor to take his place in his former family, gave the impostor his frozen blood to take with him, and continues to keep tabs on the family he neglected years ago that still believes he's death? You've got to be kidding me with this sh!t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sapounopera Posted July 2, 2009 Members Share Posted July 2, 2009 So let me get this... Phillip orchestrated the car accident (so that Jill and Kay would lose him just like they lost his father) because he wasn't man enough to tell his loved ones who he really was and prefered to let them suffer for more than twenty years? What's the point of punishing them like this? Melaswen is more logical than this. I can't believe that Y&R's three big storylines are a)Adam, MJ and c) Phillip. Stupid boy! Why did he go to Australia and didn't just build an underground town underneath Genoa City for him and the other gays of GC? Worst story EVER and very offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted July 2, 2009 Members Share Posted July 2, 2009 I don't understand how Phillip could ever do this to his son. It's a horrible burden to put on your child, the most selfish act I can imagine. Any drama about being gay is going to be overshadowed for me by what he did to his son. I still think they could have had him leave because he'd gotten in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MTSRocks Posted July 2, 2009 Members Share Posted July 2, 2009 Okay, this DOOL Melaswen being more logical than this story is bullsh-t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 2, 2009 Members Share Posted July 2, 2009 Defending this storyline as if there's a logical basis for it is bullshi-t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted July 2, 2009 Members Share Posted July 2, 2009 Exactly. And if being gay is no big deal, why did Phillip have to fake his death to keep people from finding out? He orchestrated a drunk driving accident, a flatlining heart machine, and got to Australia in record time because he didn't want to tell his family he was gay? Also, why did he decide to send them Cane in 2004 instead of right after he died? That's another thing that makes so sense to me. Phillip III should have stayed dead. There were different ways to undo Cane being a fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted July 3, 2009 Members Share Posted July 3, 2009 Wev'e seen the scene on youtube, there is no flatline heart machine. If there was, I would have had a bigger problem with this SL. But no flatline, no doctor at the bedside pronouncing him dead... that's the window for this SL. And yes, the gay thing ain't no big deal NOW... but it was a bigger deal 20 years ago, and an even bigger deal for some people. Everyone is expecting these characters to always act in a rational way.. like people saying Adam and Patty Jane don't have enough motivation for their actions. When people have mental illness.. they don't NEED a motivation, cause theyr'e NUTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted July 3, 2009 Members Share Posted July 3, 2009 I would agree, but the show has claimed they have motivations. They've said Adam wants to hurt Victor and Jack, that MJ wants Jack back. Then when the stories don't reflect this, viewers get confused. I think the biggest deal to Phillip would have been abandoning his son when he himself knew how awful it was to grow up without a father. That Phillip had no qualms about abandoning his son, and then even further invalidates his son and Nina by sending Cane along to be the "real" Phillip, is what makes me struggle with this storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 3, 2009 Members Share Posted July 3, 2009 The machine did fail, according to the clip. Exactly. It's pure character assassination, regardless of the stupid retcon that was used to bring him back from the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted July 3, 2009 Members Share Posted July 3, 2009 If by "fail", you mean the machine stopped, then yes. But wev'e all seen enough medical TV shows to know that when the heart monitor stops, it doens't just stop making sounds like the clip showed.. it makes a long, continuous beep. Whether they use this will remain to be seen. I've said before, it's not much to hang your hat on... but for Phillip, I'm all for grasping at straws. I know you may not think it's worth it, because you didn't grow to love the character, your'e not old enough, and I understand that. And I don't think you can really know if it's character assasination until it's played out. Once we see how they write it, then we can judge. But Bierdz is such a great actor, you will see that all this IS worth it, just for the value of the performances alone. And you never know... they might just have him be a flawed character who was so tortured by his fear and insecurities that he abandoned his family. The character was always ruled by his fear and insecurty int hefirst place. People abandon their families all the time, Victor's father did... Bill Foster, Dina Abbott, etc. And while a despicable and chicken sh!t thing to do, it doens't make a character irredeemable to me. It's a matter of making the audience feel sympathy for the character. They did it wiht Bill Foster (By giving him a terminal illness) but if it's played right, the audience will see him as this wounded bird who did something foolish out of profound fear.....And Bierdz is VERY good at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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