Members JackPeyton Posted July 6, 2009 Members Share Posted July 6, 2009 But at least she TRIES. (and fails). I would rather watch a bad actor try and a bad actor not try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted July 6, 2009 Members Share Posted July 6, 2009 Y&R needs to lay off the retcons for a good long while after this one. I still enjoy the show, but this brand of storytelling is cheap and fan-fictiony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhythmchyc Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Here's a clip from Wednesday's U.S. episode of Phillip coming out to Nina. The way his eyes do the weird squinting thing, it was almost like he was mocking her with this information. It was weird. Tricia was awesome though. Damn, he's throwing this bomb and underplaying it in the absolutely wrong way. There's a good way to underplay huge moments and there are bad ways. And he's doing it worst than the bad way. I don't understand why the director accepted this performance. I don't care about time constraints. This is HUGE. You don't allow a storyline this important that changes Y&R in so many ways, having dead people come back to life and all, which is a rare feat for Y&R over the past two decades, and rest it upon the shoulders of a horrible performance as Bierdz's. Anyway, here it is. <object width='400' height='300'><param name='movie' value='http://www.cbs.com/e/1I4szZQq3SDGONqU93j7N8KttaLzcxzY/cbs/1/'></param><param'>http://www.cbs.com/e/1I4szZQq3SDGONqU93j7N8KttaLzcxzY/cbs/1/'></param><param name='allowFullScreen' value='true'></param><param name='allowScriptAccess' value='always'></param><embed width='400' height='300' src='http://www.cbs.com/e/1I4szZQq3SDGONqU93j7N8KttaLzcxzY/cbs/1/' allowfullscreen='true' allowScriptAccess='always' type='application/x-shockwave-flash'></embed></object> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Bierdz is just AWFUL, there are just no words for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 This is really pathetic. The scriptwriter should have his/her Final Draft license revoked, and where is the director in all of this? Why is Bierdz turning his back on Cast after this big, uncomfortable reveal? I hope Maria pays for this crappy fanfiction story she's foisting upon the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members alphanguy74 Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Why is Bierdz turning his back after he drops the bomb? Because that's what Phillip would do. I LOVED the scene, thought it was beautiful, GREAT background music. I think today's episode was scored badly, and acted beautifully. Listen you guys are calling Bierdz a bad actor for not giving you what you want, an emotional, expressive performance. But it ain't gonna happen. Because it would not be true to the CHARACTER'S CORE. Phillip Chancellor III is not that, and Bierdz would be a bad actor if he was acting scenes like YOU want him to. He has slid back into his role like a glove, what you see onscreen IS PHILLIP, I know him well enough, I watched him nearly every day for 3 years. His delivery is deadpan and monotone at times, he is awkward, introverted, befuddled. That is who the character always has been. To me, it made him fascinating, because he looked like this wounded bird that was awkward and shy, yet beautiful and he didn't know it. Deeply troubled, but also someone who had a VERY HARD TIME expressing his feelings. You guys are going to the International house of pancakes, and trying to get fried chicken. MAB I'm sure is well pleased with Thom's acting, as it true and genuine to what came before. And lots of poeple LOVED him that way. He was a mystery... you wanted to scoop him up and take care of him, and help bring him out of his shell and blossom. That's who he WAS, and who he IS. Some of y'all are just gonna have to suck it up and deal. I hope he's front burner for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 I'm torn between both sides. I don't think Bierdz is AWFUL, because in the scene with Nina, I could at least feel what he was going through, and I thought he connected well with Tricia Cast. The scene itself I think could have been drawn out longer, this is a reveal that should happen over a period of a week or more, but the scene is decently written. One could argue that for material which has such massive rewrites of history, you need to have a superb actor, not a competent one, in the role. I don't know. I do realize Bierdz is heavily tied to the show's history and there's some emotional impact there. His voice does distract me, as he seems to struggle to get the words out. I know that's probably not something he can change, but I hope they can find a way to help him if they can. I still wish they'd had him fake his death to help protect his family, and they could have said he'd had some injuries which required a long recuperation and some plastic surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 I'm sorry but I don't think telling people they have to deal is the way to go. Just because some are happy with this totally stupid turn of events doesn't make others just have to deal. I am giving it a few more days and I am not dealing. I am sending the best protest ever to Y&R -- I'm turning them off for good. They got what they wanted. MAB is sucking up to fans and supposedly giving them what they want and crapping on the history and integrity of a show I love - for the sake of what. I used to could say that when all the rest of the shows threw their integrity away that you could still be proud of Y&R. Well that is gone now. I watched today and I was just stunned at how far in the gutter Y&R is willing to go. And it has nothing to do with the actors. It is totally the story and a route I never wanted to see Y&R go. This is totally plot driven dribble that should be on any other show besides Y&R. And bellcurve I have to say that I know what you are getting at with the fan fiction comment, but I have read fan fiction that is better than this [!@#$%^&*]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ian Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Bierdz is going to play a young Balboa in the next rocky movie... "ADRIENNNEEEE" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 I found this funny. Logged on to a porn site I visit from time to time. The guy there is so excited about the the Phillip reveal and posted the clip of Phillip telling Nina he's gay. I don't think he expected to get some of the following responses: I wish the guy who thinks the bad acting is just because it is soaps would watch the good actors on Y&R before he makes that assumption that it is just because it is soaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Word X 1000. That wasn't a diss to fanfiction writers. I'm a fanfiction writer. It was a diss to crappy fanfic writers. There's a difference. And I'm pretty sure the fanfics you've read allow two guys to kiss and make love, instead of writing them buttoning their shirts. This crap Maria is shoveling to the audience is like slash fiction, without the slash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Carl.... I know he struggles ot get the words out soometimes, but that's the whole point. That's what makes Phillip who he is, that difficulty expressing himself. One reson I always liked him (Besides his looks) was that there was no other character on daytime like him. But like I said, that type of character has the drawback of some people not liking the performance, because they feel the character is emotionally unavailable to them. Steve when you look at message boards like that, keep in mind that most of these posters watching a scene like that are ignorant of seeral things. People who think he hasn't aged well? They obviously don't know he's 47. Nobody in their right mind thinks he LOOKS older than he is. And someone else said the actor "blows"... again obviously someone who didn't watch him the first time, as I can tell you, virtually nobody over the age of 30 would use that term... it's a term of the younger generation. I also AGREE with you that there is nothing majorly wrong with any othe actors on this show. Even the worst of the lot, Kahlil, can manage a halfway decent performance. Why would you want to stop watching? There's been alot of stupid stories over the years I've endured, but there has always been soemthing good come along later. When I was referring to people ahving to "suck it up and deal" I was refrring ONLY to Bierdz' perfromances, because they are true to character and properly played. I just don't understand what your'e hating so much... I know I can't wait to see tomorrow, my 73 year old mother feels the same, both of us watchers since day 1. I know you don't like plot driven stuff...but unfortunately, I think character driven things are going the way of the dinosaurs, like us, I suppose. It's a matter of the reality of tv today. For me, as long as Y&R LOOKS like Y&R as far as production values go, and we good actors turning in good performances, then is always somehting good to be had on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Like I've said before... unless Maria is trying to be a pricktease. Viewers today don't have the patience God gave a gnat, so she needs to move on this SOON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 You continue being patient, alphanguy! After that initial kiss, will it take them a year to kiss again? Will their(Phillip and Rafe's) relationship develop off screen? Will Thom Bierdz and Yani Gellman be written out before the kiss can happen again? I mean Thom Bierdz did sign a six month contract. Month #2 is fastly approaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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