Yup. That's a huge plot hole. When Victor imprisoned Michael Scott in the basement dungeon, he had cameras installed over the whole house, so Michael was forced to watch TGVN's every move (like having sex with Julia that Michael had to watch).

So, if Victor mistrusted Adam, that's EXACTLY what he'd do. High security, Ashley monitored, cameras everywhere...hell, some of the same bugging technology that Adam is using.

One concern about this story is that Victor has been rendered a bit stupid by being the victim of this plotting. I think we're supposed to think that Victor is giving a little benefit of the doubt [ a ] to his son, and [ b ] to a blind man. But, really, TGVN trust NO ONE and he ALWAYS calls on experts. The absence of these two elements really undermines the story.

Adam has to be SMARTER than Victor for this plotting to succeed, but that doesn't mean Victor has to be stupid.

ETA: I keep wondering if TGVN is off his epilepsy meds. They could establish that as an excuse for his stupidity

Victor's plot-convenient stupidity has ruined this story for me more than anything else.

So I was thinking that Ketherine's memory of giving a baby away was he really that of Jill and not switching babies with Cane. I wouldn't be surprised if Violet was Kay's daughter....

Edited June 22, 200916 yr by MTSRocks

Beyond plot points, the main reason for Victor's stupidity is probably so we'll feel sorry for him when this is over. He trusted Adam and look how he was repaid. They may have known how unsympathetic Victor had become to some viewers over the past year, so this is a way to make Adam the heavy and remind people who the true hero of the story is.

This whole Phillip III never being in his coffin sham is a really bad re-write and an example of where writers are pissing on history, while using it at the same time for purely plot-driven purposes.

Here's the scene where Nina, Jill, and Katherine come back to the Chancellor mansion, after they've BURIED Phillip III. How the hell could they have not known sand bags weren't buried in Phillip's place.

Don't get me wrong LML's mistake needed to be fixed, but they shouldn't have told another rewrite to cover that up. Phillip's death is one of the most iconic moments in the show's history too, even if Bill Bell regretted it. He certainly never felt the need to rewrite what he considered his biggest mistake.

Edited June 22, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

So I was thinking that Ketherine's memory of giving a baby away was he really that of Jill and not switching babies with Cane. I wouldn't be surprised if Violet was Kay's daughter....

Hmmm - something about that sounds interesting. Liz knew that Jill wasn't her daughter, right? i just don't know how a switch would fit in...

This whole Phillip III never being in his coffin sham is a really bad re-write and an example of where writers are pissing on history, while using it at the same time for purely plot-driven purposes.

Didn't they exhume the body to do the DNA testing shortly after Cane arrived on the scene (2007?)--they've referred to it even recently when Nina just called the lab) or am I missing something? Did they do the testing on sand bags then LOL?

Didn't they exhume the body to do the DNA testing shortly after Cane arrived on the scene (2007?)--they've referred to it even recently when Nina just called the lab) or am I missing something? Did they do the testing on sand bags then LOL?

Apparently, we've supposed to believe the person that performed those DNA tests was a criminal who falsified stuff. Also, we know that Cane isn't really Phillip III and he's been in on this scam.

You gotta love how this show deals with professional ethics. First a doctor who apparently sexually harassed his patients, and now a DNA specialist who is a fraud and falsifies documents.

Edited June 22, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

^^^That scene above proves nothing. It was a closed casket.

Other than that, I'm willing to give Y&R a chance until every single contract has been negotiated, because I believe that most of what we are seeing onscreen has to do with the shakeups backstage. So I want to see what happens as we enter the final six months of 2009...

Re. Cashton

Liz adopted Jill (supposedly). I'm talking about the flashback meaning that it's of Katherine giving over the daughter she had with Arthur Hendricks to Charlotte Ramsey. And that daughter was Violet Montgomery.

It's funny how many of LML mistakes seem to have an easy way out.

^^^That scene above proves nothing. It was a closed casket.

Other than that, I'm willing to give Y&R a chance until every single contract has been negotiated, because I believe that most of what we are seeing onscreen has to do with the shakeups backstage. So I want to see what happens as we enter the final six months of 2009...

Re. Cashton

Liz adopted Jill (supposedly). I'm talking about the flashback meaning that it's of Katherine giving over the daughter she had with Arthur Hendricks to Charlotte Ramsey. And that daughter was Violet Montgomery.

It's funny how many of LML mistakes seem to have an easy way out.

Word up - that scene proves absolutely nothing.

You may be on to something. I wonder if Phillip somehow learned about Violet Montgomery and that's why he chose her to be Cane's mother. Hmmm....

^^^That scene above proves nothing. It was a closed casket.

There's also the scenes where Jill, Nina, and Katherine saw Phillip die in his hospital bed, and they even showed a flashback to Jill's reaction from that episode last Friday.

Other than that, I'm willing to give Y&R a chance until every single contract has been negotiated, because I believe that most of what we are seeing onscreen has to do with the shakeups backstage. So I want to see what happens as we enter the final six months of 2009...

What do you mean? What stories do you think are being impacted by behind the scnes turmoil?

Didn't they exhume the body to do the DNA testing shortly after Cane arrived on the scene (2007?)--they've referred to it even recently when Nina just called the lab) or am I missing something? Did they do the testing on sand bags then LOL?

Well Jill and Kay were referring to the 2007 exhumation the week before, and now it seems they've decided that the switch to sandbags occurred at the original burial and that the original doctor/ and or medical examiner/ and or funeral home who pronounced Phillip dead and buried him were the frauds. It's hard to tell how many labs and groups were involved in this massive cover up. How did Phillip pay for it, did he squander money away for years in order to make this happen?

And Juliajms my spoiler tag post is just referring to how Cane has managed to fake it all this time.

Word up - that scene proves absolutely nothing.

Surely, this scene does....

http://soaphunks.net/moments.php?rank=010

Or are we willing to overlook it because death can later be re-written by a later writing regime too?

Well Jill and Kay were referring to the 2007 exhumation the week before, and now it seems they've decided that the switch to sandbags occurred at the original burial and that the original doctor/ and or medical examiner/ and or funeral home who pronounced Phillip dead and buried him were the frauds.

Yep.

Edited June 22, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Surely, this scene does....

http://soaphunks.net/moments.php?rank=010

Or are we willing to overlook it because death can later be re-written by a later writing regime too?

Smells like potpurri talkto me...i just said your previous scene proved nothing. this scene proves that either Phillip WAS dead, a great actor, or something else we don't know yet.

Honestly, if the scene meant something do you think MAB would acknowledge it on the show? Again, they saw him die in the hospital bed, proves nothing. He wasn't transported into the casket from his death bed in front of them. I`m not the biggest fan of this story, but I`m intrigued by it. I'd much rather see this than Camryn Grimes returning as some long lost twin though. Plus, if you look at those original scenes, something about them don't seem final like me, as Cassie and John's death did. Plus, I think Katherine is on this, which I'm hoping she's not, but the way Cooper is playing it, I'm afraid so. At least MAB is not taking the audience for fools and going "that never happened." Yes there will be holes in the story (no doubt), but MAB is really laying it all out there through respecting what viewers did see onscreen.

I mostly meant Melody Thomas Scott, and who knows what`s going to happen once SONY is done with the episode guarantees and what not. With all these budget cuts it's going to affect what we see onscreen. Yes, they can do a better job with it, but I've seen MAB do a wonderful job last year with character balance so I know she's capable of it.

Edited June 22, 200916 yr by MTSRocks

Smells like potpurri talkto me...

As epsiodes for this week haven't aired yet, I don't see anyone else discussing actual episodes right now, so...

i just said your previous scene proved nothing. this scene proves that either Phillip WAS dead, a great actor, or something else we don't know yet.

A great actor whose heart stopped beating and laid lifeless around numerous witnesses and then his burial happened a few days later amongst his close loved ones? Sounds like a bad re-write to me...