On 3/5/2017 at 4:44 AM, vetsoapfan said:

 

To be fair, there are middle-aged men who do lose their minds and make foolish mistakes where women are concerned, LOL.

 

Lemay found Michael Ryan stodgy, but I always appreciated the actor's steadfast quality and warmth. AW needed a longstanding, familiar patriarch in later years, and killing off John Randolph was a dumb mistake.

 

As for the story about Pat killing Greg, I think the best thing about it was that Lemay wove in references to the earlier plot from 1964 about Pat's killing Tom Baxter. Lemay had Pat remembering killing Tom with a letter opener, however, which was an historical error. She had actually shot him.

 

Anyway, I am always a fan of using history.

If i remember correctly too, I think the actor who played the DA/ Attorney who terrorized Pat on the stand was the actor who played Tom Baxter in 1964.  I am wrong?  I thought I recall my mother saying back then it was him and why she was so fragile on stand because he resembled Tom Baxter. 

On 3/5/2017 at 5:00 PM, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

Question to my fellow AW fans--what are your thoughts and opinions on the Justine story?

 

I've been rewatching clips from that era again and maybe it is b/c soaps are dreadful now, but I find the story not as bad as I did when I'd originally watch it. Yes, some things could've been taken out the story to prevent it from going all the way over the top (i.e. Justine locking Vicky in the basement), but the basic gist of the story isn't all that bad. 

 

Is it just me?

Simply stupid but at that point AW was pretty bad anyway so it was a shot in the dark

 

If Justine had been written with a bit more nuance, then I think the story would have been more palatable.  Not more SUCCESSFUL, but more palatable.  (Because, to be perfect and frank, that story was never going to work all the way.)  As it was, though, it did the impossible: it made Victoria Wyndham look bad.

34 minutes ago, Khan said:

If Justine had been written with a bit more nuance, then I think the story would have been more palatable.  Not more SUCCESSFUL, but more palatable.  (Because, to be perfect and frank, that story was never going to work all the way.)  As it was, though, it did the impossible: it made Victoria Wyndham look bad.

 

Do you think had another actress just played Justine that the story could've worked?

 

Again, I just don't see the story as horrible anymore, but that could be due to me having seen worse from soaps in recent years.

 

10 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

Do you think had another actress just played Justine that the story could've worked?

 

Perhaps.  Obviously, you WOULDN'T be able to tell a doppelganger story, which is okay, since, IMO, doppelganger/evil twin stories rarely work on soaps.  (They're almost the epitome of Idiots Plots, really, where the other characters have to remain complete idiots or else the plot ends.)  However, even with another actress portraying Justine, the character still would have needed to be a step above a Disney villain.  Her mental state was no excuse for her also being one-dimensional as hell.

On 3/8/2017 at 4:48 PM, denzo30 said:

If i remember correctly too, I think the actor who played the DA/ Attorney who terrorized Pat on the stand was the actor who played Tom Baxter in 1964.  I am wrong?  I thought I recall my mother saying back then it was him and why she was so fragile on stand because he resembled Tom Baxter. 

 

In the 1960s, Tom Baxter was played by soap vet Nicholas Pryor.

 

I cannot honestly say I recall him returning to the show  to play the DA during Pat's second murder trial, but maybe viewers with better memories--or with links to those episodes on youtube--can refresh my memory.

20 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

In the 1960s, Tom Baxter was played by soap vet Nicholas Pryor.

 

I cannot honestly say I recall him returning to the show  to play the DA during Pat's second murder trial, but maybe viewers with better memories--or with links to those episodes on youtube--can refresh my memory.

I don't think there are any episodes.  if they are on youtube, can some share or direct me too them.  The murder of Tom or Greg is not on youtube.  The aftermath when John Randolph died yes.  At that time Marianne was no longer speaking to her mother and blamed her still for Gregs death

David Bailey is in the Alpo ad (which seems like it was filmed in the Brady Bunch kitchen...). Is Beverly Penberthy in the ad after that? I doubt it, but she looked a bit like her.

 

 

11 hours ago, DRW50 said:

David Bailey is in the Alpo ad (which seems like it was filmed in the Brady Bunch kitchen...). Is Beverly Penberthy in the ad after that? I doubt it, but she looked a bit like her.

 

 

 

Good grief, 27 minutes of commercials!!!

 

No, I do not believe that is Beverly Penberthy in the ad, bit it really does look a lot like her!

That's really neat. It's kind of funny to see those caricatures as most of them were fired very quickly weren't they? 

Well Jacquie hung around and Nic got killed off after a few months.Liza was there for a few years but Vera only  a month or two.

Born March 16, 1922, today is the 95th birthday of Harding Lemay.  Whether you loved or  hated his work on AW, he is probably one of the last, if not the last, of the behind the scenes staff members that is still living from the Golden Age of Soaps.  Happy Birthday, Mr. Lemay! 🎈🎉🎈

Yes, happy birthday to Mr. Lemay! 95 - God bless him.

 

Seeing Jensen Buchanan in those above promos makes me a bit sad. Who would have guessed that she'd end up in the mess she did last year for DUI?

 

By the way, I think the gown she wore at Vicky's outdoor wedding to Jake in 1997 was absolutely stunning. Apparently, JB felt the same way because she told the soap press that she wished she had worn that gown to her own (first) wedding!