13 minutes ago, Eric83 said:

I am not here for Keith Ellison AT ALL. He is one of those people that think being a Democrat/progressive deserves some sort of purity test. Will he understand that Democrats are a party that have to cater to several different factions? There are the uber-liberal Democrats in the Northeast and West Coast, the religious conservative Democrats that get elected in majority black districts in the South, the Democrats that have to be center right in the Western plain states. I just do not think he has a 50 state strategy. Him and the rest of the Bernie people are annoying as hell. Running to the far left only alienates more voters and will cause disastrous results in 2020. Bernie would have lost worst than Hillary, but due to Bernie's demagoguery his little fans still think he was "robbed" and that he is an angel.  

 

At the end of the day, a president should have the cautious pragmatism that Hillary had. Running to the hard right or left like Trump and Bernie only alienates the opposite sides and only appeases the interests of <40 percent of the country. She may have been the wrong candidate, but she had the right message.

 

Yep. If Bernie's minion ends up as DNC chair, we're screwed. 

Highly ironic that many Conservatives in the Northeast cite their approval of Trump's immigration policy due to places like suburban NY (e.g. Suffolk County), while NYPD now think that this immigration policy could actually make their jobs more difficult. 

 

Yesterday, NYPD made an official statement that they would not be asking immigration status of an crime victims or witnesses.  They stated that they would comply with federal immigration law concerning suspects accused of serious crimes that threaten public safety.

 

This article seems to be indicative of how police are now forced to grapple with whether there will be a now breakdown in the hard earned trust between police and the community- especially in communities with large immigrant populations.

 

Police Fear Trump Immigration Orders May Handcuff Effort to Fight Gangs

 

Edited February 23, 20178 yr by DramatistDreamer

The implosion of the Kansas economy continues, but I doubt the Republicans will take the warning.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/sam-brownback-kansas-tax-cuts-donald-trump

Edited February 23, 20178 yr by Juliajms

5 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Highly ironic that many Conservatives in the Northeast cite their approval of Trump's immigration policy due to places like suburban NY (e.g. Suffolk County), while NYPD now think that this immigration policy could actually make their jobs more difficult. 

 

Yesterday, NYPD made an official statement that they would not be asking immigration status of an crime victims or witnesses.  They stated that they would comply with federal immigration law concerning suspects accused of serious crimes.

 

This article seems to be indicative of how police are now forced to grapple with whether there will be a now breakdown in the hard earned trust between police and the community- especially in communities with large immigrant populations.

 

Police Fear Trump Immigration Orders May Handcuff Effort to Fight Gangs

 

Rachel Maddow last night had a segment on Harris County in Texas(Houston area and state's most populous county). I didn't realize that the long time Sheriff there got beat in this past election due to his support of the 287 program. Harris had deported record numbers of undocumented folks under his watch. Last election, the Hispanic community campaigned voted  in droves, a lot to do with him, Clinton of course won the county but the former Sheriff got beat by a democrat who ran opposed to 287. It was not a narrow win either he won with around 54% of the vote.

6 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

The implosion of the Kansas economy continues, bu I doubt the Republicans will take the warning.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/sam-brownback-kansas-tax-cuts-donald-trump

It failed in the 1920's, it failed under Reagan, Bush, yet they still are able to sell stupid Americans on it. And that in itself convinces me that American's don't really care that they are getting screwed as long as the other guy gets screwed worse.

 

2 hours ago, Roman said:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-alan-colmes-dead-at-66/

I liked him and sad to hear this. I'm not usually a fan of pundits who seem to hate everything the other side represents. I never felt Colmes treated those with opposing views with disrespect and listened but did chastise those on both sides who made ridiculous claims.

Looks as if the U.S. may become a "No Go" area for international tourists.

 

The Travel Press is Reporting the 'Trump Slump,' a Devastating Drop in Tourism to the United States

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Looks as if the U.S. may become a "No Go" area for international tourists.

 

The Travel Press is Reporting the 'Trump Slump,' a Devastating Drop in Tourism to the United States

There is absolutely no way our economy will be able to sustain any of this without some sort of crash. Tourism, Agriculture, Kicking out people who actually contribute to our economy.

 

In Chicago, the Ukrainian Village is full of undocumented folks. And that part of the city has experienced the highest growth in the past 5 years due to those folks.

Edited February 23, 20178 yr by JaneAusten

2 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

It failed in the 1920's, it failed under Reagan, Bush, yet they still are able to sell stupid Americans on it. And that in itself convinces me that American's don't really care that they are getting screwed as long as the other guy gets screwed worse.

I think some people want to believe in fairytales because reality is way too hard for them to face/accept.  When people like Donald Trump sell them pipe dreams some of them no it's one big lie, but they need to believe whatever it is they hear and they hear what they want to hear.

 

I watched another one of those PBS Newshour segments yesterday.  It featured a couple in Erie County, PA who voted for Trump because they want to believe that he's got the magical fairydust to turn their ghost town back to the way it was in the seventies.  Jobs started leaving that area in the seventies because of technological advancements, etc. and have steadily gone away until there is just a little remainder of GE.  The magical President is going to fix it for them because after years of hoping that the Democrats would, they now have to turn to another fairy godmother.

 

It's not even that some of these people are naive, it's that they just don't know how to move on with the changing times.

3 hours ago, marceline said:

Yep. If Bernie's minion ends up as DNC chair, we're screwed. 

The DNC is in a jam either way, imo.  Neither of the two options are good: go to the extreme left or keep standing in place.

why does Reince Priebus look like he and Bob Marley hung out together back in the day every time he's on a camera? 

I think the DNC really needs to look at a compromise. I actually like Harrison, Jehmu, and Buttigieg. I see Harrison has dropped and endorsed Perez.  He IMO would have been the best choice. The problem is Perez and Ellison will create animosity within some faction. Better to go with a compromise. Buttigieg IMO is destined for more, Ellison really is needed in the house, and the DNC chair is really more or less a fundraising job. With that Perez seems like the better choice, but Jehmu has talked a lot about working from the ground up as has Buttigieg. I feel both Buttigieg and Jehmu could do better than being a fundraiser.  Jehmu like Buttigieg and someone like Jason Kander  IMO has starpower and could do more. I guess we will see.

38 minutes ago, Wales2004 said:

I think some people want to believe in fairytales because reality is way too hard for them to face/accept.  When people like Donald Trump sell them pipe dreams some of them no it's one big lie, but they need to believe whatever it is they hear and they hear what they want to hear.

 

I watched another one of those PBS Newshour segments yesterday.  It featured a couple in Erie County, PA who voted for Trump because they want to believe that he's got the magical fairydust to turn their ghost town back to the way it was in the seventies.  Jobs started leaving that area in the seventies because of technological advancements, etc. and have steadily gone away until there is just a little remainder of GE.  The magical President is going to fix it for them because after years of hoping that the Democrats would, they now have to turn to another fairy godmother.

The worst part is it's been 40 years of the same. These communities have been obliterated. The sad part is if these communities could open themselves up to refugees(who helped cities like Buffalo and Pittsburgh bounce back) or Hispanics(which have helped areas in larger cities bounce back) they could turn themselves around to some extent. The problem isn't manufacturing leaving, its the lack of seeing that our country is moving on. Donald Trump and the GOP's programs will only highlight how much our own business communities have moved on. Actually the GOP knows darn well that is the case and is why they have fought against and for immigration reform for years.

Edited February 23, 20178 yr by JaneAusten

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-yemen-raid-twitter_us_58ae0acbe4b057efdce8c07c?

6 minutes ago, Roman said:

why does Reince Priebus look like he and Bob Marley hung out together back in the day every time he's on a camera? 

Uhm no....simply no.  I can't imagine Bob Marley wasting any time with someone like Reince Priebus.

 

Maybe one of those movie characters like Jeff Spicoli (Fast Times...) or the one Matthew McConaughey played in Dazed and Confused. 

 

I saw a clip of Stephen Miller from his high school days and he was quite hateful.  These immigration raids are probably giving him all sorts of thrills.

2 minutes ago, Wales2004 said:

Uhm no....simply no.  I can't imagine Bob Marley wasting any time with someone like Reince Priebus.

 

Maybe one of those movie characters like Jeff Spicoli (Fast Times...) or the one Matthew McConaughey played in Dazed and Confused. 

 

I saw a clip of Stephen Miller from his high school days and he was quite hateful.  These immigration raids are probably giving him all sorts of thrills.

He's going to get his tail in a mess of trouble one day here (always looking like he's trying to stifle a fart). 

1 minute ago, Wales2004 said:

Uhm no....simply no.  I can't imagine Bob Marley wasting any time with someone like Reince Priebus.

 

Maybe one of those movie characters like Jeff Spicoli (Fast Times...) or the one Matthew McConaughey played in Dazed and Confused. 

 

I saw a clip of Stephen Miller from his high school days and he was quite hateful.  These immigration raids are probably giving him all sorts of thrills.

Miller is Jewish. Maybe someone needs to send him some clips of Jewish people being hurded into cattle cars and sent to gas chambers. He's not exempt from their hate nor was Milo, regardless of how much both want to feel like they are a member of the cool kids club.

16 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

I think the DNC really needs to look at a compromise. I actually like Harrison, Jehmu, and Buttigieg. I see Harrison has dropped and endorsed Perez.  He IMO would have been the best choice.

 

He did? That's a shame. He was my choice

 

Stephen Miller creeps me the hell out. Everything about him screams "serial killer."