Anti Muslim hate groups have tripled with Trump's rise. No surprise, but he really has unleashed so much ugliness in people.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/anti-muslim-groups-america-tripled-alongside-trump

8 hours ago, Roman said:

Both CNN and MSNBC are about to rip this fool a brand new one. 

 

His biggest enablers during the campaign? Too little too late.

19 minutes ago, Roman said:

He may not care as long as profits come in. if he thought making FN a liberal network would give him the very same revenue.....he would do it in a heartbeat IMPO.

 

It was Roger Ailes who made Faux News become more of what it was in recent years. Murdoch does seem to censor some Trump coverage (he has at the WSJ this year, causing a lot of upset at their offices), but in a different way.

8 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

This is the second time in as many days, I heard someone say how stupid they think Trump is and both are from other countries.

Other countries really do think he is a big joke, everyone could well be laughing at this fool. Well, maybe except for Italy because...Berlusconi.

 

I envy anyone who can laugh at this stuff. Other countries I can understand it more, but people here who see it all as a big guffaw or who seemingly just are happy for the spotlight (like most of the press) - I wish I had their bomb shelters. 

LOL:

 

 

A friend of Harward's says he was reluctant to take NSA job bc the WH seems so chaotic; says Harward called the offer a "[!@#$%^&*] sandwich."

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) February 17, 2017

BREAKING: Fox News is reporting Trump was fully briefed on the Flynn call with Russia after it happened--and allowed Pence to be lied to.

— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) February 17, 2017

Wait a minute -- FOX NEWS is reporting this about Flynn's Fateful Phone Call?  Why am I surprised that Fox News would report about this?  I mean, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.

Edited February 17, 20178 yr by Khan

20 minutes ago, Khan said:

Wait a minute -- FOX NEWS is reporting this about Flynn's Fateful Phone Call?  Why am I surprised that Fox News would report about this?  I mean, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.

 

You're surprised because they're behaving like an actual news outlet. 

 

It makes me wonder if they are giving up on him. It's also framed in a way that will increase public sympathy for Mike Pence. 

There's been a lot of deflection of any guilt re: Pence for the last few days. It's not unintentional.

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

There's been a lot of deflection of any guilt re: Pence for the last few days. It's not unintentional.

 

Right. And that means when we get President Pence, get ready for the fawnfest. 

Trump is practically giving Pence the keys to the Oval. Pence knows that this is the only way that he can be President, so you can bet that he's maneuvering for a possible resignation or removal.

10 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

It's also framed in a way that will increase public sympathy for Mike Pence. 

 

You noticed that, too, huh?

 

Is Fox News giving up on Trump?  Given their obvious political slant, and the fact that propagandists like Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity remain on their payrolls, you wouldn't think so.  But, like I said upthread, it's amazing how quickly the wheels have come off this wagon; and I think even Fox News, as an organization, is starting to question whether an administration that's been hit so hard and so early can make it the next four years.

 

IOW, I don't think Fox News is ready to throw in the towel just yet on Trump, but I DO think they might start hedging their bets sooner rather than later.

5 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

You noticed that, too, huh?

 

Is Fox News giving up on Trump?  Given their obvious political slant, and the fact that propagandists like Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity remain on their payrolls, you wouldn't think so.  But, like I said upthread, it's amazing how quickly the wheels have come off this wagon; and I think even Fox News, as an organization, is starting to question whether an administration that's been hit so hard and so early can make it the next four years.

 

IOW, I don't think Fox News is ready to throw in the towel just yet on Trump, but I DO think they might start hedging their bets sooner rather than later.

 

Faux News was never really a huge booster the way CNN was anyway. That's why all the self-serving self-pity from CNN goes through me like bad food. Faux News mostly moved toward him when there were no other options and he was the GOP nominee. They will dust off and regroup, as they always do in their own soulless way. 

26 minutes ago, Vee said:

There's been a lot of deflection of any guilt re: Pence for the last few days. It's not unintentional.

 

23 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Right. And that means when we get President Pence, get ready for the fawnfest. 

 

14 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

Trump is practically giving Pence the keys to the Oval. Pence knows that this is the only way that he can be President, so you can bet that he's maneuvering for a possible resignation or removal.

 

I agree with all of this.  Of course, having Pence succeed Trump as president comes with its own risks.  However, I think we've seen enough of "President Trump" to know those risks would be minimal compared with what we are dealing with now.

39 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

I agree with all of this.  Of course, having Pence succeed Trump as president comes with its own risks.  However, I think we've seen enough of "President Trump" to know those risks would be minimal compared with what we are dealing with now.

 

We're less likely to be nuked (hopefully), but lgbt people, along with women and minorities, will be #1 in his crosshairs. I'd expect laws in short order that would do things like allow doctors to refuse you medical treatment if you're gay (or Muslim, or the wrong "type" of woman, and so on). And get ready for a lot of Democrats to throw us under the bus, as they so often do. 

Edited February 17, 20178 yr by DRW50

4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Right. And that means when we get President Pence, get ready for the fawnfest. 

 

I'm talking from Republicans, Republican pundits and outlets. Not from media in general. Pence has the charisma of a slug and they will not be turning him into McCain, IMO. Can they (and we, frankly) turn to him in lieu of an insane narcissist? Absolutely. I think Pence is terrible but I will absolutely settle for him if I must in lieu of this maniac. I also am unconvinced he won't go down with Trump because I think he knew.

 

Meanwhile, just to clarify for the "Trump is a secret strategic genius who planned all this" crowd, from the NYT on today:

 

Quote

WASHINGTON — President Trump, smarting from a series of crises, moved his surrogates aside on Thursday and assigned the rescue of his month-old presidency to the only spokesman he’s ever really trusted — himself.

 

For days, a frustrated and simmering president fumed inside the West Wing residence about what aides said he saw as his staff’s inadequate defense and the ineffectiveness of his own tweets. Over the objections of some top advisers who wanted to steer him away from confrontation, Mr. Trump demanded to face the media, determined to reject the narrative that his administration is sinking into chaos, scandal and incompetence.

 

[...]

 

The news conference, they said, was Mr. Trump’s best effort at spitting the bit out of his mouth and escaping the bridle of the West Wing, where he views his only way to communicate his side of any argument is his 140-character limited Twitter feed.

 

Still, it is unlikely that Mr. Trump’s 77-minute performance will divert much long-term attention from questions about his campaign’s relationship with Russia, or reassure wavering Republicans on Capitol Hill that their agenda is on track. Yet Mr. Trump’s close allies said he had met his more immediate goal of soothing himself with a sense of control over his own administration.

 

Mr. Trump, who has long required employees to sign nondisclosure agreements, has been unnerved, aides said, by leaks big and small, ranging from disclosures about his evenings spent alone in the White House residence to the details of his calls with global leaders. Now, Mr. Trump finds himself at the mercy of a vast, leaky bureaucracy.

 

 

More at the link.

Edited February 17, 20178 yr by Vee

10 hours ago, Roman said:

He may not care as long as profits come in. if he thought making FN a liberal network would give him the very same revenue.....he would do it in a heartbeat IMPO.

well, he signed a new contract not too long ago to stay. I ws hoping he would leave but they probably threw a ship full of cash at him to remain their one reasonable host. and who is flawed? 

 

Megyn Kelly. I felt for her when Trump was harassing her during the campaign, but I know better than to hold her up as too great a journalist. She did just as much to push the Fox News agenda as anyone else when she was there (I don't mean to say that like you don't know that, I just pointed that out after saying she left FNC for NBC, and how maybe Shep might do something like that someday, too.).

8 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

We're less likely to be nuked (hopefully), but lgbt people, along with women and minorities, will be #1 in his crosshairs. I'd expect laws in short order that would do things like allow doctors to refuse you medical treatment if you're gay (or Muslim, or the wrong "type" of woman, and so on). And get ready for a lot of Democrats to throw us under the bus, as they so often do. 

 

Not this Democrat (I know, you mean ones in office. But still.).

 

I still remember what he did to Indiana. He had Republicans hating his ass in record speed (not enough to get them to vote against Trump in the general election, because I can't have nice things, but I'll NEVER let him off the hook. 

 

 

..........

 

THAT SAID:

 

I feel a bit better about having him as President than I do having Trump as President, even though he comes with own dangers. 

Edited February 17, 20178 yr by MissLlanviewPA

4 minutes ago, MissLlanviewPA said:

 

Megyn Kelly. I felt for her when Trump was harassing her during the campaign, but I know better than to hold her up as too great a journalist. She did just as much to push the Fox News agenda as anyone else when she was there (I don't mean to say that like you don't know that, I just pointed that out after saying she left FNC for NBC, and how maybe Shep might do something like that someday, too.).

 

The truth is I doubt anyone would want Shepherd Smith. Megyn Kelly is flavor of the moment, a pretty blonde thing in an industry full of them; her relevance peaked with the election. I tend to wonder if Faux News is somewhat glad to be rid of her.

5 minutes ago, MissLlanviewPA said:

 

I still remember what he did to Indiana. He had Republicans hating his ass in record speed (not enough to get them to vote against Trump in the general election, because I can't have nice things, but I'll NEVER let him off the hook. 

 

I'm glad you have that fight in you. Sadly I think we'll be among the few who don't join the parade.