Wow.  Violence erupts in Ankara, Berlin and Zurich; the judge who gave a college student a six-month sentence for rape is cleared of misconduct; and the nation's electors put party affiliations and hide-saving over protecting us from a con-artist who will sell us to Russia first chance he gets.  

 

Worst Monday ever for my new, least-favorite soap opera, AS THE WORLD TURNS TO CRAP.

2 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

But you know the GOP and Trump are gonna pick a side even though us not getting involved would possibly be the smartest thing. 

 

At this point, I wouldn't bother finding out where they stand on anything.  Just learn what Putin thinks about any situation and then know the GOP and Trump will fall in line.

Edited December 19, 20168 yr by Khan

8 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Who is "they" though? Progressive groups?  Who are these progressive groups?  Many have their own implicit biases that were put on display during this campaign, so I don't have much hope in whatever media they could possibly build getting to the crux of the problem or solving the matter. Most of them are too busy blaming identity political platforms for Democrats' loss.

 

Michael Eric Dyson's Op-Ed piece was very good at highlighting some of the problems why Blacks were so dubious of Bernie. That's a divide that's not going away any time soon but it needs to be solved before the next election and I mean mid-terms.

 

As for the media, of course they are looking to profit and they're already being successful with that strategy as subscriptions for newspapers like the NYT and WAPO have jumped in recent weeks. I do think it's laughable that they are riding Obama over him mentioning the unbalanced coverage that Clinton received in comparison to Trump. There are studies that have been done that reflect this--why doesn't the MSM debate the sociologist and political scientists who have done and reported this research?

 

@DRW50 Did you see Friday's news conference?  The way Martha Raddatz continued to quote Trump to Obama then demand an explanation of a Trump quote? After the 4th question quoting Trump, Obama, clearly exasperated testily told Raddatz "...that's all you're going to get, Martha". 

It seems as if it's not just progressive groups focusing too much on Trump. The press went from 0 to MACH 10 on asking questions about Trump policy moves- too bad they were asking Obama these questions.

 

 

I didn't, although I read the highlights (his putting salt in the wounds about Russia was amusing). I think the media is trying to stir the pot with Obama re: Trump as they want to make him look petty, and they also are likely desperately hoping and waiting for Trump to finally "act Presidential." Or at least give them more access, as that's all they care about. 

 

"They" would be people who want to stop a further lurch to the right (at this point it's more like a lurch into a lake of razor blades rather than just to the right) and compromise their own views to oppose the broader GOP agenda. Republicans ignored the CW after 2008 that they should be conciliatory. They ignored the CW after 2012 that they needed more diversity. And voters rewarded them for it. Democrats end up sacrificing just as much if not more of their goals and beliefs, but do so in the naive plan to chase voters who have rejected them and will keep on rejecting them. They cling to old ditties from Thomas Frank yet again telling them how they have failed Kansas, or this woman:

 

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/no-sackcloth-and-ashes

Interesting statistics on the sustained efforts by the Obama administration to transfer/resettle Guantanamo detainees.

 

George W. Bush bequeathed 242 detainees to the Obama administration and by the end of his two terms 41-42 detainees will be bequeathed from Obama's administration to the next administration.

 

Also while the Bush administration transferred/resettled less detainees, they had a higher "suspected" recidivism rate at 35% (projected) while Obama transferred/resettled many more detainees but had a much lower "suspected" recidivism rate at 12% (projected).

 

This sort of speaks to how much more thoughtful the O administration has been about who and where they have chosen to settle/transfer.

 

Obama Administration Intends to Transfer 17 or 18 Guantánamo Detainees

 

 

Edited December 20, 20168 yr by DramatistDreamer

 

DNC Chair contradicts Obama and says Russian hacks persisted 'until end of election' – and says she was 'a little disappointed' when she saw his remarks

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4049544/DNC-Chair-contradicts-Obama-says-Russian-hacks-persisted-end-election.html#ixzz4TOWHAC2B 

People pretend like the hacking makes any difference to Republicans (and some Bernie bros) who chose to vote for a racists, sexist, mysogynist who has no experience with even so much as running a non-profit properly.

 

Yet, we're supposed to believe that these hacks would've made all the difference puhlease! Republican voters (and a some Democrats) don't care about any of this. They just wanted to tear things completely down, thinking that someone will rebuild it but they are most likely in for a rude awakening.

Edited December 20, 20168 yr by DramatistDreamer

I'm still in shock about the attack in Berlin. This is my capital, this is my country.

 

Christmas markets are such a big tradition here in every city, and these places are always crowded. I was at a Christmas market myself yesterday – for the 8th time in 3 weeks –, and I always had so much fun meeting friends. On the subway home I read about the attack, I just couldn't believe it.

 

I'll be going again on Friday, but it'll surely have a different vibe...

 

And of course this attack will play into the hands of the right wing parties and their followers all across Europe... 

3 minutes ago, Huntress said:

I'm still in shock about the attack in Berlin. This is my capital, this is my country.

 

Christmas markets are such a big tradition here in every city, and these places are always crowded. I was at a Christmas market myself yesterday – for the 8th time in 3 weeks –, and I always had so much fun meeting friends. On the subway home I read about the attack, I just couldn't believe it.

 

I'll be going again on Friday, but it'll surely have a different vibe...

 

And of course this attack will play into the hands of the right wing parties and their followers all across Europe... 

 

I'm sorry that this has happened and sorry that this is the way of our world now.  Unplanned attacks. 

 

Yes, sadly right-wingers will seize to promote their agenda (e.g. more weaponization) because predictably that is what they always do as political opportunists, even before asking whether people are okay or what they can do to help.

 

Hopefully where you live @Huntress people will resist that urge and instead help one another. It's really the only way that seems to work.

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Yet, we're supposed to believe that these hacks would've made all the difference puhlease! Republican voters (and a some Democrats) don't care about any of this. They just wanted to tear things completely down, thinking that someone will rebuild it but they are most likely in for a rude awakening.

 

Yeah, that's why I'm not here for these "change" voters. Most of them can't even begin to articulate what change they want. They simply assume that it will benefit them.

@Huntress I'm so sorry this has affected you and Berlin - the fear and worry of what has happened and what is next must be awful. We'll all be thinking of you and your lovely city here. 

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Yes, sadly right-wingers will seize to promote their agenda (e.g. more weaponization) because predictably that is what they always do as political opportunists, even before asking whether people are okay or what they can do to help.

 

 

Which will make a country safer, Angela's open door policy to Muslim young men, or Trump's tough stance? Today, many Americans are feeling safer for electing Trump, while Germany is paying the price of open door policy.

34 minutes ago, GregNYC said:

 

Which will make a country safer, Angela's open door policy to Muslim young men, or Trump's tough stance? Today, many Americans are feeling safer for electing Trump, while Germany is paying the price of open door policy.

 

Yet heaps and heaps of us here in other parts of the world feel- given America's history, how the country was founded, and the fact that a large portion of the problems can be traced back to the actions of America- that the US has zero right to be turning away refugees like you have been doing.

 

It's nice that a minority of Americans feel "safer" (I think we both know that they don't really feel "safer"- more like their racist viewpoints have been vindicated) while everyone else feels even more unsafe and the rest of the world is sitting around terrified that the orange blob you just made president is about to start and drag the rest of us into WWIII.

 

Also, stop with the "America is so much safer now!" nonsense. America has always been the safest country (aside from the gun violence which is America's doing) and I think most Americans know that and would agree. Until you've had to actually live in some place that was under real threats of violence, all of these Trump supporters claiming they're "so much safer now" can shut the [!@#$%^&*] up. They've always been safe.

Edited December 20, 20168 yr by AdelaideCate007

35 minutes ago, GregNYC said:

 

Which will make a country safer, Angela's open door policy to Muslim young men, or Trump's tough stance? Today, many Americans are feeling safer for electing Trump, while Germany is paying the price of open door policy.

 

Poll: Majority of Americans Pessimistic or Uncertain About Trump Presidency

 

Maybe many, in your mind, but not the majority, certainly not from where I see things.

All America is doing is given vulnerable subset of people an excuse to radicalize. Anybody who thinks we'll be safer under the Snatchgrabber is fooling themselves (again). After 9/11 Bush reached out to the Muslim community and that was the right thing to do. But again, we live in a country full of stupid, mean people who think that just because they "feel" something it must be true.

Edited December 20, 20168 yr by marceline

23 minutes ago, marceline said:

All America is doing is given vulnerable subset of people an excuse to radicalize. Anybody who thinks we'll be safer under the Snatchgrabber is fooling themselves (again). After 9/11 Bush reached out to the Muslim community and that was the right thing to do. But again, we live in a country full of stupi, mean people who think that just because they "feel" something it must be true.

 

Not to mention that many of the people who are treated as "others" now are lifelong American citizens. I understand the idea of not allowing open borders, it's clear they have wreaked havoc in Europe, but the refugee stuff is just an excuse for bigotry and racism. 

4 hours ago, Huntress said:

I'm still in shock about the attack in Berlin. This is my capital, this is my country.

 

Christmas markets are such a big tradition here in every city, and these places are always crowded. I was at a Christmas market myself yesterday – for the 8th time in 3 weeks –, and I always had so much fun meeting friends. On the subway home I read about the attack, I just couldn't believe it.

 

I'll be going again on Friday, but it'll surely have a different vibe...

 

And of course this attack will play into the hands of the right wing parties and their followers all across Europe... 

 

Sending good thoughts your way.  So sorry to hear about this.

 

1 hour ago, AdelaideCate007 said:

 

Also, stop with the "America is so much safer now!" nonsense. America has always been the safest country (aside from the gun violence which is America's doing) and I think most Americans know that and would agree. Until you've had to actually live in some place that was under real threats of violence, all of these Trump supporters claiming they're "so much safer now" can shut the [!@#$%^&*] up. They've always been safe.

 

+1

 

@GregNYC It baffles me why the republicans think they have the corner on the market when it comes to national security, patriotism and religion.  You don't.  The worst terrorist attack in America happened when a republican was in the White House.  Not to mention how many of our young men and women were sent to their deaths for an unjust war.  That's not patriotism, that's lying.  A truly Christian president or president elect doesn't talk about women, migrants, POC or any minority the way trump has.  Give it a rest.