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I hope Ari gets some more work out of this, at least. I guess that's crass to say but it will raise her profile as an actor. She deserves that at the least.

 

My stomach turned for her. It oddly felt like a violation closer to home, and I know I wasn't the only soap fan, castmember, crew hand or production staffer to feel that way. As silly as that is.

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No, seriously.

 

 

During an episode of a season that first aired in 2013 (dubbed All-Star Celebrity Apprentice), the “Turn Down for What” singer was tasked, along with the other celebrity contenders, with mounting competing displays around and inside glass trucks in order to promote hair-care products. In the heat of competition, Lil Jon bought and donned an Uncle Sam costume to help advertise the “beautiful” hair product.

 

During the day’s shoot, Trump himself caught wind of this gimmick and began referring to Lil Jon around Apprentice staff as “Uncle Tom” instead of Uncle Sam.“Look, he’s Uncle Tom!” one longtime Apprentice staffer recalled Trump blurting out at least twice. The staffer said Trump was utterly tone-deaf to the racially charged history of the term, which is used to deride a black man deemed to be subservient to white people.

 

It didn’t take long for multiple producers on the show to begin frantically attempting—in vain—to get the former real-estate mogul to stop calling Lil Jon an “Uncle Tom.” According to two sources from different departments on the production (speaking on the condition of anonymity due to strict non-disclosure agreements), one reason producers were freaked out was that comedian and talk-show host Arsenio Hall (who is also black) was a guest star on that episode, and had heard Trump refer to Lil Jon in the derogatory way.

 

Hall made his displeasure with the use of the term clear, and staff sprang into damage control.

 

“We kept trying to explain to [Trump] that that’s not a word you can use, that it’s offensive,” another Apprentice employee told The Daily Beast. “One of the executive producers had to call him up directly to [plead with] him not to say it, and Trump was like, ‘No, that’s a saying, it’s Uncle Tom.’ There are several takes in the footage of the dailies that has him trying to figure out the difference between ‘Uncle Tom’ and Uncle Sam. He just couldn’t grasp that it was offensive… When [Trump] decides he wants to do something, that’s his way.”

 

Meanwhile, Carl's beloved Jeff Zucker feels mistakes were made, but shouldn't Billy Bush keep his job? (He won't) 

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^ I feel like we've reached maximum levels of despicable.  Someone in the thread said they don't know how any non white can vote for Trump, but really, how can anyone? I know there are blue collar white men who think Trump is on their side, but damn, that's just desperate thinking. Why would you think this rich man who has never shown an ounce of empathy for another living creature (that I can recall) would be on your side? I'll be the first to say that Hillary is a member of the elite now, she's talked about it herself. However, at least she has middle class roots, self awareness and has shown compassion and understanding for other people.

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Hillary's worked for people her whole adult life. Whatever else you can say about her, she believes in public service. The only thing Trump believes in is himself, and even that is a constant struggle to not be laughed at and overcome doubt.

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That F.ucker article leads to an interesting one about the man who came forward to defend Trump about the alleged assault on Jessica Leeds. It sounds like the man is a lifelong publicity seeker and con.

 

Trump really is bringing all the refuse out into the light, isn't he.

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Hillary's worked for people her whole adult life. Whatever else you can say about her, she believes in public service. The only thing Trump believes in is himself, and even that is a constant struggle to not be laughed at and overcome doubt.

Yeah, I hear her surrogates say that all the time, but any career politician can say the same. I guess I'm cynical, but I don't really see any of these people as particularly altruistic. Not that I need them to be, but at this level of politics, it's about power, not public service.  Frankly, I think it's kind of refreshing to see this kind of raw ambition in a woman. In her position, I would have retired to a beach town to spend my millions long ago, but she just keeps on trucking.

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Hillary's worked for people her whole adult life. Whatever else you can say about her, she believes in public service. The only thing Trump believes in is himself, and even that is a constant struggle to not be laughed at and overcome doubt.

Yeah, I hear her surrogates say that all the time, but any career politician can say the same. I guess I'm cynical, but I don't really see any of these people as particularly altruistic. Not that I need them to be, but at this level of politics, it's about power, not public service.  Frankly, I think it's kind of refreshing to see this kind of raw ambition in a woman. In her position, I would have retired to a beach town to spend my millions long ago, but she just keeps on trucking.

 

You can be both ambitious and altruistic, and you can find extremes at either end at many points in your life. I think her record since college speaks for itself, both good and bad, and I think it's mostly on balance good. You don't. That's your prerogative.

 

For anyone who hasn't seen it, please watch:

 

 

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Hillary's worked for people her whole adult life. Whatever else you can say about her, she believes in public service. The only thing Trump believes in is himself, and even that is a constant struggle to not be laughed at and overcome doubt.

Yeah, I hear her surrogates say that all the time, but any career politician can say the same. I guess I'm cynical, but I don't really see any of these people as particularly altruistic. Not that I need them to be, but at this level of politics, it's about power, not public service.  Frankly, I think it's kind of refreshing to see this kind of raw ambition in a woman. In her position, I would have retired to a beach town to spend my millions long ago, but she just keeps on trucking.

 

You can be both ambitious and altruistic, and you can find extremes at either end at many points in your life. I think her record since college speaks for itself, both good and bad, and I think it's mostly on balance good. You don't. That's your prerogative.

 

For anyone who hasn't seen it, please watch:

 

 

Hillary's worked for people her whole adult life. Whatever else you can say about her, she believes in public service. The only thing Trump believes in is himself, and even that is a constant struggle to not be laughed at and overcome doubt.

Yeah, I hear her surrogates say that all the time, but any career politician can say the same. I guess I'm cynical, but I don't really see any of these people as particularly altruistic. Not that I need them to be, but at this level of politics, it's about power, not public service.  Frankly, I think it's kind of refreshing to see this kind of raw ambition in a woman. In her position, I would have retired to a beach town to spend my millions long ago, but she just keeps on trucking.

 

You can be both ambitious and altruistic, and you can find extremes at either end at many points in your life. I think her record since college speaks for itself, both good and bad, and I think it's mostly on balance good. You don't. That's your prerogative.

 

For anyone who hasn't seen it, please watch:

 

 

I've never said that. I simply don't think she's above criticism. I don't have to pretend she's perfect to support her overall. That's the beauty of democracy.

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LOL, I'm definitely not pretending she is perfect. But the relentless demonization from elements of the media and both far ends of the political spectrum only shines her up in my eyes.


Meanwhile, this is amazing.

 

OCALA, Florida — Donald Trump was nearing the end of a raw, red-faced tirade at his rally here Wednesday afternoon when he paused to make an unexpected confession.

“If we don’t win this election,” said Trump, his voice ragged from shouting, “I don’t know what I’m going to do.”

The note of desperation was jarring amid the cacophony of machismo and triumphalism that defines a typical Trump rally — but, then, these are desperate times for the Republican nominee. Facing a party in revolt, a free-fall in the polls, and a feeding frenzy in the press as more than a dozen women have come forward to accuse him of inappropriate behavior, Trump is turning increasingly to his loyal crowds for reassurance — and redemption — in the final weeks of the presidential race.

Campaigning across Florida, the besieged candidate has appeared in recent days visibly agitated as he addresses his fired-up fans — careening unpredictably between angry chastisements, needy pleas for validation, and dark claims of martyrdom.

“Let’s hope it all boils down to winning on Nov. 8 — because if not, I’ve wasted my time [and] you’ve wasted your time,” Trump told one crowd. “I will have spent over $100 million on running for office. That’s a lot of money. … If I don’t win, it will be the single greatest waste of time, energy, and money.”

Everywhere he goes, Trump compulsively reminds his supporters of what he gave up to run for president, as though unsatisfied with the electorate’s lack of gratitude.

“Folks, I didn’t need to do this,” he repeatedly told supporters in Panama City.

“My life was so simple. I had a beautiful, simple life,” he lamented in Ocala.

In West Palm Beach Thursday, Trump cast himself as a martyr beset by a sinister global establishment hell-bent on destroying him. He forcefully denied the latest round of sexual assault allegations against him, framing the claims as evidence of a vast political-media conspiracy.

“I knew they would throw every lie they could at me and my family and my loved ones,” Trump told a crowd of thousands. “I knew they would stop at nothing to try and stop me. But I never knew … that it would be this vile, that it would be this bad, that it would be this vicious.”

“Nevertheless,” he continued, “I take all these slings and arrows gladly for you. I take them for our movement, so that we can have our country back.”

This act is not entirely without a strategic rationale. As one senior campaign adviser explained, the aim is to reframe the election in its final month as a clash between “populist nationalists” and “elitist globalists” — with Clinton as the “guardian of [the] corrupt, remote … rigged system” and Trump as the “agent of change.” The approach is, in essence, simply an escalation of the us-versus-them-ism that has been at the center of Trump’s candidacy from the beginning.

But at other times this week, Trump has seemed altogether unshackled from any kind of coherent campaign message — bitterly lashing out at reporters by name, ridiculing disloyal Republicans, and offering detailed critiques of whatever cable news segment most recently annoyed him.

During one campaign stop, he compared his burdens to the plight of the working-class voters he champions. “They’re older, working harder, and they’re making less,” Trump said. “Here’s the good news: I’m also older and working harder than I’ve ever worked before… I don’t know, maybe I’m wasting my time.”

He paused a beat. “Am I wasting my time?”

At the same time, Trump has taken to warning his fans in Florida that he may never forgive them if he loses their state. “I’ve created a lot of jobs in Florida. Miami, Mar-a-Lago — if you guys don’t vote for me, I’m going to be very angry at you.” (When these admonishments made it on TV, Trump complained that the cable news channels were taking him out of context to make him look like a “jerk.”)

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The latest accuser sounds like a phony to me.  As far as I can tell she went up to his hotel room and then was shocked when he assumed she went up there for sex.  Maybe I'm cynical but are there many other reasons you would visit a guy in his hotel room?   Then she turned him down and had the nerve to stay for dinner.    And it is not like she was this naive church goer, she was a reality show person, no doubt familiar with Hollywood and life in the big city.    I can believe all that happened, but in this case nothing happened.    Her tears sounded phony too, she was a bad actress once upon a time and that's how she got on a reality show.

This really is a lot like Cosby. There are something like 12 accusers now. By the end of it there's bound to be 20-30. Sure, a couple of them will probably be false, but I'm not even going to worry about which ones. The main point here is when there are this many accusers, they aren't all lying.

Of course he is guilty.   His own video admits to what they are accusing him of, but this ex-reality show star I am a little skeptical of.   Her perfectly timed tears, the fact she decided to have a press conference, the celebrity attorney...its all a little much.   Call me biased, but the moment someone is a reality star means that fame and press is always their number one concern. 

 

Trump's character witness for the airplane story is pretty funny.  Apparently he has a history of being in the fringes of sex scandals.

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