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2 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I don't want to get ahead of myself but it looks as if the Democrats will take the House.

 

That's really the only thing I was hoping for (and am still hoping for).

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All I want is the House. This is not the end of Gillum, Abrams or O'Rourke politically no matter what happens - and the fact that they have fought so hard against terrible odds in formerly solid red/purple areas is impressive and an omen for the future.

 

Whatever happens was always going to require more hard work and heartache.

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Kris Kobach, one of the architects of voter suppression nationwide, seems to have lost his long-held dream job of Kansas governor. 

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10 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Kris Kobach, one of the architects of voter suppression nationwide, seems to have lost his long-held dream job of Kansas governor. 


Is that normal for Kansas to have a Dem Gov.?

 

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1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

 

A win is a win. Republicans got a lot done with a little. Democrats could too, to a point. I guess we'll see what happens. 

 

Even when things do break our way, gerrymandering and voter suppression makes it almost impossible. 

 

Anything Democrats get tonight is a miracle. We won't have anyone acknowledge that, because just like 2016, the left fell for the trap of overhype and bubble talk. It's too bad. 

 

I'm not saying people should say "Yay, we got a few Congressional seats." Unless things really change, then tonight isn't a good result, and saying "I told you so" is meaningless. I just mean that I hope rather than either going into full despair, or saying "We'll have the blue wave in 2020," people will start working on some kind of solution about breaking any kind of logjam in the red wall in the long term - like what Eric Holder has been doing with voter suppression and Secretary of State offices, but also long-term campaigns about how to really reach voters and change conversations and to not always be so reactive, not always just get by based on not being Trump or opposing Trump. We should oppose Trump, but there need to be more plans beyond this in order to break out - if that is even possible, if it isn't just too late, which it very well may be.  

 

I mostly mean people who are in a position to do so, like the big money donors. Obviously people in states that are run by lunatics, as Florida and Georgia very well could be after tonight, have more serious problems. 

I agree with you, especially when you see the severity of the voter suppression in real time.  I'll be happy for whatever check that we get on this administration. Also there were some real wins tonight. Having the first Muslim woman and the first Native American women elected to congress are real achievements for those candidates and the people that elected them.

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1 minute ago, Roman said:


Is that normal for Kansas to have a Dem Gov.?

 

The last Kansas Democratic governor was Kathleen Sebelius.  She took a seat in Obama's Cabinet and was replaced by Sam Brownback 😒

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There are now two Muslim women in Congress, I believe.

 

Perhaps a key to how/why Staten Island turned blue.

 

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NBC projects we take the House.

 

I honestly don't care about the superstar races; those folks (like Beto) will be back, and they ran very tough races which bode well for those states in future. I care about the House. That's victory. That's what it looks like. It's grueling and it's tough and it's incremental and it saves our fùcking country. That's the lesson I learned in the 2000s.

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Just now, Vee said:

NBC projects we take the House.

 

I honestly don't care about the superstar races; those folks (like Beto) will be back, and they ran very tough races which bode well for those states in future. I care about the House. That's victory. That's what it looks like. It's grueling and it's tough and it's incremental and it saves our fùcking country. That's the lesson I learned in the 2000s.

I agree. If we had lost we would have been well and truly sunk. This at least gives us a chance.

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