1 hour ago, marceline said:

I saw that this morning. It is a thing of beauty. I honestly don't understand what West thought he would accomplish by going after TNC.

 

Probably since West and Smiley had a modicum of success attacking Obama (because, politician, I guess) so they figured they'd try it once more.

Smiley is out of it at this point because he's been unmasked.

 

I could never understand how West and Smiley were able to get away with accusing Obama of being corporatized when Smiley was backed by Wells Fargo and Walmart! And I know of at least one story of West's greed that hits very close to home.

 

In the Predator's Thread last week, I mentioned the fact that Walmart (America's superstore) has said zilch about the Smiley allegations.

I read some of the Guardian comments for the article and so many of them just seemed to go on at length about how terrible Obama was and belittling his supporters. Even now many on the left seem much more energized talking about how awful Obama (or Hillary) was than talking about Trump. 

A straight up or down vote will identify who is pro and who is con Net Neutrality. 

 

JUST IN: Senator Chuck Schumer says there will be a Senate Vote to overturn the FCC's ruling on #NetNeutrality -- Only a simple majority will be required to overturn the ruling.

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) December 18, 2017

The Senate Intelligence Committee has asked Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s campaign to turn over documents, a former campaign staffer tells BuzzFeed. Stein is expected to release them publicly as well. https://t.co/eEhJpUUGsA

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 18, 2017

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

A straight up or down vote will identify who is pro and who is con Net Neutrality. 

 

It'll be interesting to see where everyone stands. I truly have no idea. If I had to guess I'd say all the republicans and some of the democrats will vote against net neutrality, but I hope I'm wrong. I guess at this point I think all of the Republicans are bought out bastards and there are probably a few dems right there with them.

On 12/16/2017 at 3:25 PM, marceline said:

 

Assuming we survive this, there's a lot that will need to be fixed so that this can't ever happen again. We'll need to get rid of the electoral college, reinstate the voting rights act, overturn Citizens United, plus we'll need to get rid of the judges Trump named to the courts. Granted, there's no mechanism for doing that now but if we survive this we'll need to treat these people the way Germany treated the Nazis after the war, complete with executions. 

 

If we make it to the other side of this, going high and being merciful is not an option.

Like you I don't assume we will survive this.  We'll see if we get a relatively free and fair election in 2018. If so, there's hope.

Speaking of not being able to assume anything, I wonder whether anyone can actually take any of these folks at their word?

 

I intend 2 vote no on tax bill. Due 2 pressure of several members like me, bill was improved, but not enough for a significant # of my constituents.

— Dana Rohrabacher (@DanaRohrabacher) December 18, 2017

Edited December 19, 20177 yr by DramatistDreamer

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Speaking of not being able to assume anything, I wonder whether anyone can actually take any of these folks at their word?

 

I'm sure it's because they have the needed votes. He's from California and frankly I have no idea why anyone from Ca, NY, or NJ would vote for this. 

9 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

I'm sure it's because they have the needed votes. He's from California and frankly I have no idea why anyone from Ca, NY, or NJ would vote for this. 

 

Even though none of these states voted Republican in the last several presidential elections, there are conservative pockets within those states. 

For instance, in NY, Rep. Peter King, a Republican is in the L.I./Westchester area, a Conservative pocket surrounded by a liberal NYC area.  King has been known to be mostly in lock-step with Trump/GOP.  He did seem to beg that the mortgage cap not be lowered in this taxscam bill but it would seem that he's willing to go along with voting for it anyway, despite that fact that his constituents will likely lose the most of any homeowner in the country as they are predicted to be the hardest hit.

 

New Jersey also has some conservative pockets and there is a severe disconnect there as the predicted hardest hit area is calculated to be Newark, NJ which is an inner-city and has a large population of black and minority homeowners, many of whom also happen to be low-income homeowners.

 

Also, just flat out greed and corruption as some of these Congressman look to personally benefit, regardless of how their constituents fare.

 

Speaking of greed and corruption,

Another day, another lawsuit for Trump Inc.  

 

Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump Face New Lawsuit Over Financial Disclosures: Report

Edited December 19, 20177 yr by DramatistDreamer

14 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

I can't be surprised. She always stunk of grifter-dom - likely the reason she didn't do nearly as well as she should have in an election with two very unpopular candidates. 

 

I was disgusted with her recount and with how many people were dumb enough to pay up.

Jill Stein should change her name to Bad Penny, because she Just. Keeps. Turning Up.

Connecticut has announced that it will shut down the state's Child Healthcare Insurance Program by the end of January, unless Congress renews funding for the program.

 

Apparently, CT (along with some other states) has been using leftover federal funds since September 30 of this year due to the program's funding not having been renewed.

 

I've read that, in some states, hospitals and clinics have already started "prioritizing" treatment for children due to costs.

 

Children's health is not a priority for Congress but tax cuts for the wealthy is?

Is this the type of country that Trump supporters want to live in?

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Children's health is not a priority for Congress but tax cuts for the wealthy is?

Is this the type of country that Trump supporters want to live in?

 

I think they are fine with most of these children dying - they see them as lessers who are never going to amount to anything anyway. I have a feeling some of the more deluded members of Congress also think most of them aren't white. 

 

Most of the people who will suffer won't blame Republicans anyway, so it's a win-win for the Ayn Rand and holy roller combo.

 

This will jack up medical costs even higher for the country as a whole, but this just gives them another opportunity to destroy health care and the social safety net even more and to kill even more people. Another win for them.

 

That was the bad joke of so many people falling for the idea that Obama couldn't wait to "kill Grandma" - it's the GOP who very proudly kill people, year in and year out. 

Edited December 19, 20177 yr by DRW50

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Is this the type of country that Trump supporters want to live in?

Yes.  There is an ugly, spiteful streak among his core supporters.  Anyone who has stuck with him this far is beyond hope when it comes to feeling compassion for anyone else.

36 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

That was the bad joke of so many people falling for the idea that Obama couldn't wait to "kill Grandma" - it's the GOP who very proudly kill people, year in and year out. 

These horrible people want to leave Grandma homeless while the Grandbabies die.  Like someone up thread said, I truly hate them all.

If millennials ever get off their asses, the GOP could be beat into oblivion. Not that I think they are straight democrats, but socially they do lean that way while fiscally many of them seem to be more libertarian. But anyone who wants their votes better he’ll not vote against Net Neutrality. I do hope they are paying attention to see how the GOP is selling out their future for millionaires. Trump was squalling about infrastructure after the train crash, which was a new train and line, but just approved a budget to defund Amtrak again and will gut gvmt funding so are we again going to sell out country to repair our crumbling infrastructure?

 

 

Onanother topic in that recount in the Va House of Delegates the democrat just won by 1 vote which gives the House a 50-50 tie. So when folks tell u their vote doesn’t matter, point to this race which won a seat but also evened out the entire House of Delegatea. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/democrat-wins-va-house-seat-in-recount-by-single-vote-creating-50-50-tie-in-legislature/2017/12/19/3ff227ae-e43e-11e7-ab50-621fe0588340_story.html?utm_term=.1d3be6be3032

 

BREAKING: Democrats say 3 provisions in GOP tax bill violate Senate rules and will be removed, forcing House to revote Wednesday.

— The Associated Press (@AP) December 19, 2017