The Politics Thread

[Vee]

[jasonminer1974]

2 rightwingers from Canada are behind Tenet!

[sivad40]

I wonder why Silver never mentions this but he can go an set a narrative that Kamala is losing the young white male vote because she won't go on right-wing podcasters like Joe Rogan, Theo Von, like Trump is doing

[Khan]

Honestly, does Kamala Harris even NEED the young white male vote at this point, lol?

[Marco Dane]

NOPE

[JaneAusten]

Trump has not been on Rogan and Rogan won't have him on.  Nate Silver has not gotten anything right in years.  He also is bankrolled by Peter Thiel, the billionaire who bankrolled Vance's professional and now political career. Sorry I don't trust him never will.

[Wendy]

I know all about Nate Silver being owned by Peter Thiel. He was also pushed out of 538 AND fired by ABC News.

That all said, I just pray to God, even as biased as he is and as trashy as he is, that Silver is not a canary in a coalmine. I hope Simon Rosenberg, Tom Bonier, and Christopher Bouzy's confidence is on target. I WANT all of these polls to be correct! But then I think of 2016 and Hillary and all the polls crowing about a big win, and my stomach will remain in a knot until Kamala Harris is OFFICIALLY announced as President-Elect of the US. Call it PTSD.

But the press is sanewashing Dump and is in the tank for him, and the right doesn't seem to care that he's losing his marbles. So, long story short, this is all nice, but I won't trust it until it bears fruit come election night.

[Vee]

Silver is cooking and unskewing his own polls. He says it himself.

[DramatistDreamer]

People are leaving out the role of Comey, the FBI and the e-mail server faux-scandal in the demise of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. I am not saying not to be cautious but there are some stark differences between 2016 and now. It’s going to be interesting to watch this upcoming debate. Irrespective of who the moderator is and to mute or not to mute mics, I seriously doubt that VP Harris will allow Trump to stalk her on the stage like he did Hillary.

[Vee]

Apparently the mics will be unmuted for cross-talk, which is good.

[marceline]

This isn't 2016. So much of the machine that put Trump in office has been dismantled and folks know what's at stake now. I mean Dick Cheney just endorsed Kamala Harris. And I'm going to keep screaming this....DOBBS! You can't compare pre- and post-Dobbs elections. This was true back when Joe was the candidate. (Also, why I think he would've won no matter what.)

[DRW50]

Someone, maybe one of the Pod Save America guys, mentioned that these young men will end up being more and more important in voting as they get older. And in a number of cases it's not just young white men - a lot of young men are being indoctrinated into levels of bigotry and misogyny not seen in a long time. You can see it in polling and on social media. Trump and his sycophants encourage this at all levels. I saw that he retweeted a video from two young Hispanic men where they do nothing but "rap" about Harris in crude sexual terms.

I'm not sure what can be done. Harris going on the shows won't make any difference. Going on Rogan is worthless (just ask Bernie) and many other bro podcast shows are going to just be a variation of the same. Walz won't be much better. This is something that will take years of time and money, and the voices of young men in the party.

The junk polls and whispers from the Beltway beloves like Hotline Josh (who claims bigwigs in the party are now upset Harris didn't choose Shapiro) I am wary of, but other claims, like declining enthusiasm, I wouldn't be surprised. Harris has made a conscious choice to run as a straightforward candidate rather than banking on vibes, verve, or identity. That's probably the right choice, but means Trump gets all the hype of one who is worshiped by millions and has complete control of the press. There's also the narrative of Harris being endorsed by warmongers while Trump is the "peace candidate" (which is BS but the narrative is still easily spread).  And the economy remains a struggle for many.

It's going to be very close. I just hope Harris can win, and that all the rigged election boards allow her to win.

Edited September 7, 2024 by DRW50

[DramatistDreamer]

Are folks actually going to suggest that Joe Rogan’s platform is a viable one for a serious candidate?! He makes Charlamagne tha god look like Walter Kronkite! And honestly, I wouldn’t waste my time with Charlemagne on a normal day.

[DRW50]

It's many of the same figures who tried to insist Rogan would help Bernie win in 2020.

[DramatistDreamer]

I have had these types of instructors and yeah, I never showed up to class unprepared lol.