high journalistic standards set by Mimi Torchin

funniest thing I have read all week. I don't think there is a better joke out there right now.

Only those three nothing special posts? 

A little gossip over my morning tea, that's all. Feel free to PM me if you have anything more shocking, of course...

Well, I thought they were scoopy. But admittedly I am terribly ignorant on the backstage goings on. Sorry.

A little gossip over my morning tea, that's all. Feel free to PM me if you have anything more shocking, of course...

I was expecting something earth-shattering, but this was nothing special to me. Maybe because I don't care about the people involved... 

marceline I love your avatar

The best avatar ever.

I was expecting something earth-shattering, but this was nothing special to me. Maybe because I don't care about the people involved... 

I feel like the geeky girl who just got laughed out of cheerleading practice. *sob* I'm going to have to go back to eating lunch with Ms. Lipschitz the gym teacher aren't I?

The best avatar ever.

Thanks. I get a lot of compliments on it. It's hard to look away, isn't it?

Edited August 8, 200817 yr by marceline

I feel like the geeky girl who just got laughed out of cheerleading practice. *sob* I'm going to have to go back to eating lunch Ms. Lipschitz the gym teacher aren't I?

LMAO! I'm really, really sad that you're not watching the soaps anymore, I think you're a fountain of extremely interesting thoughts and opinions.

Thanks. I get a lot of compliments on it. It's hard to look away, isn't it?

Yes, it is. It's really one awesome avatar.

Edited August 8, 200817 yr by Sylph

I feel like the geeky girl who just got laughed out of cheerleading practice. *sob* I'm going to have to go back to eating lunch with Ms. Lipschitz the gym teacher aren't I?

Thanks. I get a lot of compliments on it. It's hard to look away, isn't it?

It is great. And I liked it even better once DVII was introduced on OLTL. I have a hard time seeing DVII and not thinking of you.

It is great. And I liked it even better once DVII was introduced on OLTL. I have a hard time seeing DVII and not thinking of you.

You know, I actually had heard almost all the "juicy" stuff in that thread...which is shocking, because I am as far from an "insider" as it come. It just means I read too much. It also means I believe almost all of the juicy stuff in that thread.

What is compelling about that thread is the VITRIOL. I have never seen the lid let off like that. Just amazing. With promises of more.

So, I'm different from Sylph. I may or may not care, but the social phenomenon of watching a group of people emerge from these years of perceived repression and perceived abuse is ... unbelievable to watch.

The NY Daily News no longer putting "Hinsey is the editor of Soap Opera Weekly" in Hinsey's Friday soap section sold me on this not just being "Jossip." Okay, bad joke. I thought readers were the ones who hated this woman most, who knew? lol

Lol Angie. I kinda feel bad for Carolyn.

Lol Angie. I kinda feel bad for Carolyn.

CH needs to be booked on an internet radio talk show in the very near future.

ETA: The thread is now claiming she has ALSO been fired from New York Daily News. Is this true?

Edited August 8, 200817 yr by MarkH

CH needs to be booked on an internet radio talk show in the very near future.

ETA: The thread is now claiming she has ALSO been fired from New York Daily News. Is this true?

Yeah, she could become a soap pundit. Start a blog! Failing that, Michael Bruno could always take her under his ample wing.

What is compelling about that thread is the VITRIOL. I have never seen the lid let off like that. Just amazing. With promises of more.

So, I'm different from Sylph. I may or may not care, but the social phenomenon of watching a group of people emerge from these years of perceived repression and perceived abuse is ... unbelievable to watch.

That's it for me too. (Although as demonstrated upthread I clearly know nothing about soaps' seamy underbelly. I even thought JY was straight.) It's quite a study in mob rule, payback, karma, Stockholm Syndrome and all kinds of stuff, isn't it? It's like a crazy, evil revival meeting. People are testifyin' and truth tellin'! They're a-layin' down their burdens and a-raisin' up their voices! *waves hand in the air* Preach brothers and sisters. You are free!

Ahem...sorry. I got caught up in the spirit.

I liked this one

"... when I saw The Devil Wears Prada I remarked, "Oh, look, a nice Carolyn Hinsey."

Edited August 8, 200817 yr by marceline

That's it for me too. (Although as demonstrated upthread I clearly know nothing about soaps' seamy underbelly. I even thought JY was straight.)

See, and that is the thing that worries me about that thread. Like I said, I have heard ALL those rumors. Which makes me also wonder if the thread is just posers, recycling old rumors...without any claim on the facts.

I hope, in the passage of time, CH's good contributions (which I would call "outspoken criticism" and "candid interviews borne of intimacy") are remembered IN BALANCE with her apparent flaws (well detailed in that email). We're all some balance of good and bad.

Meanwhile, I will sadly follow that thread like the train wreck it is. Good thing about flare-ups like that...they quickly burn out.

There is hope AND risk here. The hope is that the magazines might actually get better as a consequence of this. The risk...quite likely, I fear...is that we will lose 1-2 more magazines soon, as a further sign of the industry decline. While part of me thinks that is okay (the internet has taken over), failing to get that weekly promotion on the newstands at the grocery checkout could FURTHER harm overall industry ratings and promotion.

I have an even harder time remembering Carolyn Hinsey's "good contributions" to daytime than I do remembering Ellen Wheeler's or Chris Goutman's. Let's look at them, as an example I'm sure some in this thread will uniquely appreciate: Maybe those two started with good intentions on a cancelled soap opera but that doesn't give them license to destroy the last two P&G soaps with a complete lack of respect or interest in their audience. It's like, I don't care if you played Marley; you're a terrible EP, your show is unrecognizable, and the actors look like they want to kill themselves before the wildlife in Bumfuck NJ eats them or they die of starvation. Or, I don't care if you produced AW in its twilight years and did a good run at ATWT, you are now destroying that show because you're a burnout case whose contempt for his audience, his employees and his show dripped from every word in your last interview.

All I've ever heard about Hinsey is that she is a sloppy drunk who hangs off the male actors, who must pretend to enjoy her company in order to keep up good PR, and that it is up to soap personnel to simply endure her when she appears at an event. Her "candor" ended when she got within a mile of Thorsten Kaye or Maurice Benard. Maybe she too, like the above, had good intentions once, but she ended up becoming a complete joke, the worst kind of example of a fan masquerading as a professional, spouting any company line (i.e., "you should be glad ABC fired Phil Carey and Anna Lee") as long as it benefitted people who didn't really like her but she called her 'friends.' Maybe because soaps are such a weird little shrunken industry, and their press even more so, she thought she could get away with being an absolute troll. But I guess the worm has turned.

Edited August 8, 200817 yr by Vee

I have an even harder time remembering Carolyn Hinsey's "good contributions" to daytime than I do remembering Ellen Wheeler's or Chris Goutman's. Let's look at them, as an example I'm sure some in this thread will uniquely appreciate: Maybe those two started with good intentions on a cancelled soap opera but that doesn't give them license to destroy the last two P&G soaps with a complete lack of respect or interest in their audience. It's like, I don't care if you played Marley; you're a terrible EP, your show is unrecognizable, and the actors look like they want to kill themselves before the wildlife in Bumfuck NJ eats them or they die of starvation. Or, I don't care if you produced AW in its twilight years and did a good run at ATWT, you are now destroying that show because you're a burnout case whose contempt for his audience, his employees and his show dripped from every word in your last interview.

Breathless. Wow.

All I've ever heard about Hinsey is that she is a sloppy drunk who hangs off the male actors, who must pretend to enjoy her company in order to keep up good PR, and that it is up to soap personnel to simply endure her when she appears at an event. Her "candor" ended when she got within a mile of Thorsten Kaye or Maurice Benard. Maybe she too, like the above, had good intentions once, but she ended up becoming a complete joke, the worst kind of example of a fan masquerading as a professional, spouting any company line (i.e., "you should be glad ABC fired Phil Carey and Anna Lee") as long as it benefitted people who didn't really like her but she called her 'friends.' Maybe because soaps are such a weird little shrunken industry, and their press even more so, she thought she could get away with being an absolute troll. But I guess the worm has turned.

Perfect evocation of the spirit reflected in that Jossip thread.