No, Celeste Holm was definitely fired.  I remember reading somewhere how pissed she was that the producers just up and let her go without giving her a real reason.

 

On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Khan said:

No, Celeste Holm was definitely fired.  I remember reading somewhere how pissed she was that the producers just up and let her go without giving her a real reason.

 

I've always wondered why they didn't keep the original actress, Meg Mundy. She had just come off an extremely successful, long-running and Emmy-nominated role as Mona Aldrich Croft on The Doctors. Does anyone know why she wasn't retained?

I recently read Meg Mundy and the show couldn't reach agreement regarding her contract. I believe Jon Michael Reed reported this.

My Uber driver was listening to the Steve Harvey Morning Show.  I got a kick out of them using Loving's original theme for their soap satire.

18 hours ago, dc11786 said:

I recently read Meg Mundy and the show couldn't reach agreement regarding her contract. I believe Jon Michael Reed reported this.

 

OK, thanks.

32 minutes ago, SFK said:

My Uber driver was listening to the Steve Harvey Morning Show.  I got a kick out of them using Loving's original theme for their soap satire.

 

Now that's awesome. 😊

 

 

 

The chemistry between Lisa Peluso and Joe Breen is incredible. The more I see of them the more I think he's my favorite Ava love interest.

38 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

The chemistry between Lisa Peluso and Joe Breen is incredible. The more I see of them the more I think he's my favorite Ava love interest.

 

More than Alex?

12 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

More than Alex?

 

Maybe not more, but more intense. 

It's funny. Reading about the Carly / Paul / Ava story, it never seemed all that interesting. A lot of common plot devices (sisterly rivalry, mobsters, paralysis, a long lost child, etc.), but the story is so well done. For example, that scene with Kate and Carly talking about life after Paul where Carly admits her interest in Clay Alden. This was really well done. Kate easily could have focused on just how evil Clay was and the entire history between Clay and Ava, which would have been relevant. Instead, Kate's concern was about Carly moving on so quickly especially after saying she dreamed, up until recently, about Paul dumping Ava to be with her. And how honest was the moment where Kate apologized to Carly for letting her be the child Kate thought could take care of themselves? 

 

The relationships are just so rich. It would have been easily to play up the rivalry between Ava and Carly. Instead, Ava and Carly have a more layered dynamic. That scene from the end of the first episode with Reggie Rabbit could have easily been silly, but, it was meaningful, especially in the next episode where Paul tells Ava he'll give up his lifestyle to be with her. You could see Ava thinking back to the promise she made her sister, while only moments earlier being thrilled that she could have that happily ever after. 

 

I also loved the Dane / Clay / Gwyn scenes even if I'm not overly thrilled with Elizabeth Savage as Gwyn. Dane playing Clay in that scene was brilliantly done. Gwyn and Dane are an interesting couple. I wasn't completely clear about what was happening with Dane and Jack, but that's a dynamic I'm interested in. Unfortunately, I don't think it is something that is ever really developed or utilized enough as well it could be.

 

Here's an August 1992 episode. It's incomplete, but it's interesting because some of this material I believe has been online (the haunted house storyline). It's nice to see what the canvas looked like at this time post-Addie Walsh, pre-Taggert/Guza when Haidee Granger was leading the way. Such another shift tonally in an alternate direction. 

 

 

Beware. This is certainly not "Loving" of 1991. 

 

14 hours ago, dc11786 said:

The relationships are just so rich. It would have been easily to play up the rivalry between Ava and Carly. Instead, Ava and Carly have a more layered dynamic. That scene from the end of the first episode with Reggie Rabbit could have easily been silly, but, it was meaningful, especially in the next episode where Paul tells Ava he'll give up his lifestyle to be with her. You could see Ava thinking back to the promise she made her sister, while only moments earlier being thrilled that she could have that happily ever after. 

 

That scene with the rabbit should have mostly just felt cheesy, but the actress added so much heart and sincerity, especially Lisa Peluso. Her work as Ava always fascinates me, particularly when they let Ava be vulnerable.

 

Were the writers who wrote the Stacey and Jack honeymoon stuff the same ones who had him sleep with (or nearly) Dinah Lee? They seem to be focusing so much on his great love and attraction for Stacey.