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On 12/7/2021 at 6:19 PM, Wendy said:

I probably should have felt sorry for Tori, but I never did. I was just annoyed by her.

Same here. Nothing against Kristen Meadows, but the character was just annoying. I can't believe she lasted over 2 1/2 years.

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And I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I DO like Caroline. And Lionel must have really loved her because he stayed with her and didn't rush immediately to Sophia when Eden "died" in Utah. 

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34 minutes ago, Marissa Gallant said:

And I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I DO like Caroline. And Lionel must have really loved her because he stayed with her and didn't rush immediately to Sophia when Eden "died" in Utah. 

I think Lenore Kasdorf could have been a good long-term fit on SB, but 1986-87 was such a crazy time with comings and goings. She just seemed to get lost in the shuffle.

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5 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

I think Lenore Kasdorf could have been a good long-term fit on SB, but 1986-87 was such a crazy time with comings and goings. She just seemed to get lost in the shuffle.

I really think the character had potential. Especially if Augusta came back. And I really loved excited Alice. Didn't like cynical Alice as much. Am getting very tired of Ted and Hayley's endless fighting. 

Right now, I'm here for Julia. And the occasional glimpses of Sophia.

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On 12/8/2021 at 9:59 AM, Marissa Gallant said:

Yeah, words CAN NOT describe how much I do not care about Tori. She just has that annoying wounded duck face all of the time and I want to smack it. I can't even say it isn't her fault that she's in this situation. She didn't HAVE to rape Cruz. She didn't HAVE to come back to Santa Barbara. She didn't HAVE to not take more acting jobs. Newsflash Tori- actress film while pregnant.  She didn't HAVE to set her cap on Mason and marry him. I just have no sympathy for her.

I didn’t either. Maybe because they kept having to her go on about how she was glad she didn’t have to do this alone when she found out Julia was pregnant and she was the one who chose to lie to Cruz. Then when she figured out Mason was Julia’s baby daddy, she went off the deep rail trying to ensure that Mason had nothing to do with the baby and would offer no financial support to her. 

On 12/13/2021 at 5:00 PM, Lex S said:

I have not gotten to where she's on screen yet, but from all those years ago I do remember when she was on she was on A LOT. I do not remember how she gets to exit. Is it one of those exits where writers don't know what to do with the character anymore? 

Her exit was leaving town for an acting job. It sounded temporary but she never returned. Her character was disliked but I think that’s expected when you come on as a foil for the show’s most popular couple and then she had the bad luck of Mason/Julia becoming popular since they turned her into the spoiler when it was supposed to be the other way around. Fans of Cruz/Eden and/or Mason/Julia made up a good portion of the audience. I also think she, like many others, floundered once she was moved away from the Capwells. The writers quickly lost interest in characters once they left that sphere. 

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3 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

I never figured out why she was never reviled by both the Capwells and Castillos after all that. Tori caused a lot of damage and should have left town in disgrace.

She should have been hated as much as the audience hated her. Someone in production must have really LOVED her, because they certainly kept trying to get US to love her. 

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14 minutes ago, Marissa Gallant said:

She should have been hated as much as the audience hated her. Someone in production must have really LOVED her, because they certainly kept trying to get US to love her. 

True. I also got the impression that the characters all felt sorry for Tori because no one really seemed to genuinely like her all that much.

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I never understood the point of Tori's story with John Wesley Shipp's character. 

PS: I adore Lenore Karsdorf and felt that Caroline was Rita Stapleton 2.0 for the Dobson.

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52 minutes ago, amybrickwallace said:

True. I also got the impression that the characters all felt sorry for Tori because no one really seemed to genuinely like her all that much.

That is true. I do like that I have seen Lane do a few snippets of Shakespeare because of Tori. However, the character is just AHHHH- I want to smack her. I just saw the episode where she finds out about the baby contract, and she screeches Mason you're disgusting! And I'm like uh- you're a rapist, so are you really wanting to say,  I'm not good enough for you.

1 hour ago, amybrickwallace said:

I wonder why it ultimately didn't work out.

I think perhaps people hadn't let go of Augusta, so Caroline never stood a chance.

I'm really not enjoying the mystery illness, fever, virus with the special serum storyline. Maybe because of well, you know...

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2 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

I wonder why it ultimately didn't work out.

Wasn't she one of the reasons why the Dobsons were mad at Ann Howard Bailey? She was the one who wanted to kill off the character, right?

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13 minutes ago, Elsa said:

Wasn't she one of the reasons why the Dobsons were mad at Ann Howard Bailey? She was the one who wanted to kill off the character, right?

I believe so, yes. 

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Scenes We Would Love to See: CC tells Sophia about Samantha's father. CC pipes up about Mason choosing the boy. Sophia blasts his ass by pointing out that CC forced Mason to protect Eden and that this is what CC asked for.

What are some scenes you want to see?

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3 hours ago, Elsa said:

Wasn't she one of the reasons why the Dobsons were mad at Ann Howard Bailey? She was the one who wanted to kill off the character, right?

Yep.  The Dobsons believed that Caroline had long-term potential, but Anne Howard Bailey and Charles Pratt, Jr. were just so terribly short-sighted.

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