but at least you enjoyed some of it

Finally someone in the media had the guts to go against everyone else and call Latham out on what a hack job she has done to the once untouchable Y&R.

I'll admit watching a couple of episodes last week.... and actually enjoying some of the stuff, but the storylines are stil crap and the characters that are featured I don't give a damn about.

Bravo TV Guide!

Y&R is nowhere near as interesting as it used to be, yet watching a show is still more entertaining than most anything GL is offering these days, which is one of my all-time faves but not currently worth watching. I wouldn't call Y&R the worst soap of all, but it's in the worst shape it's ever been.

DavidsMuse, I think the point is, Y&R used to be above the craptastic stunts and character assassination of the Frons-led soaps, now it's become apart of that horrible trend. Y&R used to be held as the gold standard of daytime, now it's exactly like ever other under-whelming show in daytime.

ITA!

DavidsMuse, I think the point is, Y&R used to be above the craptastic stunts and character assassination of the Frons-led soaps, now it's become apart of that horrible trend. Y&R used to be held as the gold standard of daytime, now it's exactly like ever other under-whelming show in daytime.

True, but that negates the idea that it's simply the worst. In short, now each and every American soap sucks, and hard. I don't know what has kept Y&R's ratings way above the competition's this summer.

I hope all the soap magazines follow suit and in their year end lists, Y&R is ranked as the worst soap on television. That ought to be a serious meassge to those idiots at Sony and CBS.

And I hope that it causes an avalanche of firings at Sony and CBS.

Y&R gave the genre hope for survival.... not now. It can no longer be held above the rest.

Its fell fast and hard.

LML has to be either smoking some good stuff or just plain dense to not know that Y&R is crap to the loyal fans who have been watching it for years.

She's managed to fire some of the best actors/actresses on the show within a year's time, the majority of them being characters that added to the rich history of the show, yet she keeps some of the crappiest worthless characters on the show, some which have no purpose of being on there, except to help cover up a stain on the wall.

DavidsMuse, I think the point is, Y&R used to be above the craptastic stunts and character assassination of the Frons-led soaps, now it's become apart of that horrible trend. Y&R used to be held as the gold standard of daytime, now it's exactly like ever other under-whelming show in daytime.

Did LML comes from ABC soaps? One of them had to teach the other about messing up a show.

Did LML comes from ABC soaps? One of them had to teach the other about messing up a show.

Her previous daytime experience was head writing for ABC's now canceled soap, Port Charles, where she was apparently just as bad at doing her job.

I'm so glad a mainstream media outlet called out LML and all her crap. Another thread regarding Carolyn Hinsey's rant about the characterization/assassination of Phyllis only cements my opinion that the once untouchable Y&R has fallen fast and hard into the daytime melting pot.

In terms of ratings they ARE down. Compared to last year Y&R has lost over 300,000 viewers in the 18-49 demo/HouseHold share and is down in every ratings section except teenage girls and male viewers and those gains have been very modest.

The thing LML, CBS and SONY failed to realize is that Y&R viewers are not stupid...they KNOW their characters and KNOW when the writing is not matching history. Y&R, from 1973-2006, was a character driven show but with LML and her band of merry hacks at the helm it has become a plot driven mess.

What Lee Phillip Bell must be thinking...the icon she and her husband created (and then was lovingly cared for by Kay Alden and, to a lesser extent, John F Smith) has been decimated in less than a year.

And yes, LML did write for PC and it was terrible, when you can't make a show starring Lynn Herring and Jon Lindstrom work you know you aren't cut out for daytime. As an aside may I just add that both Donna Mills and Joan Van Ark hated LML's writing on KL and when Donna Mills (one of the true sweethearts of Hollywood) hates you and you're writing...Lynn, darling, you're over and you know it.

Edited September 5, 200718 yr by DaytimeFan

As an aside may I just add that both Donna Mills and Joan Van Ark hated LML's writing on KL and when Donna Mills (one of the true sweethearts of Hollywood) hates you and you're writing...Lynn, darling, you're over and you know it.

Guess we won't be seeing Joan van Ark back as Gloria anytime soon

I've been away for the past 10 days so color me SHOCKED that this hack is still ruining Y&R. Why hasn't she been given the pink slip yet?!

The way B&B has been holding on tight to Kay Alden, Eileen Davidson, Heather Tom and Lauralee Bell makes me wonder whether Bradley Bell is making a play for the HW position on Y&R.

O God I HOPE NOT. BRAD BELL stay away from Y&R.

I've been away for the past 10 days so color me SHOCKED that this hack is still ruining Y&R. Why hasn't she been given the pink slip yet?!

The way B&B has been holding on tight to Kay Alden, Eileen Davidson, Heather Tom and Lauralee Bell makes me wonder whether Bradley Bell is making a play for the HW position on Y&R.

Y&R, the worst? On TV? In TVGuideCanada's dreams!

Cat==Posted Sep 5 2007, 10:27 AM==The way B&B has been holding on tight to Kay Alden, Eileen Davidson, Heather Tom and Lauralee Bell makes me wonder whether Bradley Bell is making a play for the HW position on Y&R.

aMLCproduction==Posted Sep 5 2007, 11:15 AM==O God I HOPE NOT. BRAD BELL stay away from Y&R.

Then who would HW B&B? I doubt that Alden would cuz she & Bradley don't get along. Ferri Esser? I still say that she's an underated writer.

You took the words right out of my mouth, aMLCproduction! I think Alden joined B&B to help out Bradley with Brooke's rape SL, among other things. She won't stay long. I wouldn't be surprised if she returned to help out LML next year.

How credible is Joan Vark Ark re: her disapproval of LML. I felt her role as Gloria on Y&R was too cartoonish. And it wasn't the writers' fault. I liked LML's stint on PC; the show went downhill when Scott Hamner took over.

How would people feel if Natalie Minardi Slater was promoted as co-HW instead of Hamner? Would that make a difference? NML's been writing for Y&R since 1998. What will please anti-LML folk, to fire her & EVERY staff member she hired/brought on board to Y&R since November 2005?

Remember: When Y&R falls, so does CBS Daytime. Case in point: Friday, August 31, 2007

I can't believe that some people love LML. It's disturbing, really.