Very true Drew. But Hogan is going back to the sending e-mail crap(stroyline) with Chelsea. Very boring and repetitive if you ask me.

I was wondering about that myself. When JER did it he was called juvenile. I can't believe Hogan is doing the same thing.

Bo and Hope went through a lot this year and all that can't be slept under thr rud. What Hogan is doing is showing us that Bope still have major trust issues that can't go go away overnight. They moved back in together but have not worked through everything yet. It shows there are still problems there and that is just realistic, smart story telling. I applaud Hogan for that and not sweeping their problems under the rug. He is following through with what he was given before and, for character and story reasons, is using it to benefit the characters and stories in the future. I hate that we are going back there but I understand why it would be done.

Like Drew said, it will be over soon anyway. Sometimes you have to go through the worst times to get to the good times and that will happen for Bo and Hope. It just makes it sweeter in the end and it makes sense to remind us that not all has been worked out. What happened is not just going to go away and neither is. She needs to be dealt with by someone at some point as well.

Bo and Hope went through a lot this year and all that can't be slept under thr rud. What Hogan is doing is showing us that Bope still have major trust issues that can't go go away overnight. They moved back in together but have not worked through everything yet. It shows there are still problems there and that is just realistic, smart story telling. I applaud Hogan for that and not sweeping their problems under the rug. He is following through with what he was given before and, for character and story reasons, is using it to benefit the characters and stories in the future. I hate that we are going back there but I understand why it would be done.

Like Drew said, it will be over soon anyway. Sometimes you have to go through the worst times to get to the good times and that will happen for Bo and Hope. It just makes it sweeter in the end and it makes sense to remind us that not all has been worked out. What happened is not just going to go away and neither is. She needs to be dealt with by someone at some point as well.

Phoenix, I've never seen you post anything negative about your show. You are always positive when it comes to your show. I couldnt be that way with ATWT. If ATWT was bad I would say it was bad. I wonder how you would feel if Megan McTavish wrote Days. Would you still be positive? J/k with ya!

I don't understand why they are continuing to have Chelsea behave like this, unless she does have a big redemption story coming up after Christmas. After this little scheme is revealed, I can't see anyone taking up for her, besides her mother and Nick. Maybe that's part of the plan. I hope so, because the last thing DAYS needs is a rinse/repeat of Sami-Lite.

Bo and Hope went through a lot this year and all that can't be slept under thr rud. What Hogan is doing is showing us that Bope still have major trust issues that can't go go away overnight. They moved back in together but have not worked through everything yet. It shows there are still problems there and that is just realistic, smart story telling. I applaud Hogan for that and not sweeping their problems under the rug. He is following through with what he was given before and, for character and story reasons, is using it to benefit the characters and stories in the future. I hate that we are going back there but I understand why it would be done.

Like Drew said, it will be over soon anyway. Sometimes you have to go through the worst times to get to the good times and that will happen for Bo and Hope. It just makes it sweeter in the end and it makes sense to remind us that not all has been worked out. What happened is not just going to go away and neither is. She needs to be dealt with by someone at some point as well.

I agree Phoenix, that their problems can't be swept under the rug, and they shouldn't be. But to have Chelsea resort to the same juvenile tactics that JER was criticized for was not the way to go. That shows laziness on Hogan's part to me. And shows no change to me.

Chelsea is acting in character. Period. I hate that she is acting this way too but you just can't jump from point A to point B, even though the fanbases would want that. It makes no sense and that would be careless writing. Like Bree said, there may be a Chelsea redemption story coming up and since Nick calls her on her faults quite frequently I can see him being a part of it.

As for me always being positive Soapsuds, it's not on purpose. It's how I feel. Yes, I will always defend my show but for the most part I like what I get and hardly ever get angry enough to quit or FF anything. Hell, I got through Higley and JER. I can be critical too and I am negative when I feel that way about something. I am not negative that often for Days because I like it and pretty much everything going on. I did say last week that one of the episodes was a bit draggy so that was being critical. One of my other shows is Passions and if you ask others you would know I rip that one apart so I can be negative but there is no reason too for me to do so with Days.

Phoenix, As I said you don't jump from point A to point B, but JER was highly criticized for having Chelsea break up Bo & Hope through e-mail. It was called juvenile and bad writing.

Now the great Hogie is doing the same thing, and being praised for it. It is hard for people to take him serious (and I am one that loves Hogie) when he resorts to the same tactics that JER did. Chelsea could have still been the instigator in things but Hogan could have found another way to do it.

Chelsea could have still been the instigator in things but Hogan could have found another way to do it.

Yup, like say for example Chelsea goes to Hope's home and says.........Hey Hope I have something to show you. Chelsea shows Hope the picture. Hope is outraged. She slaps Chelsea. And screams for her to leave. Presto! she has caused trouble for Bo and Hope without doing that stupid email recycled story again.

OH. MY. GOD.

This really is gonna go back and forth for the rest of eternity, long after DAYS is gone.

Reading this thread...it's cool to find out that Days fans are still being Days fans. We do have a tendency to complain and whine and berate writers about everything that doesn't make us happy (I'm not excluding myself here). It's not a bad thing, imho, just a thing.

Another thing, though, that Sheffer has to remember is that we've been going through garbage for a lot of years, especially those who care about the older couples (John/Marlena, Bo/Hope). It wasn't just Reilly who put us through it (and I still think the beginnings of the SSK storyline were cool), it was Langan with, arguably, a brief respite from C&B. So it's reasonable for people to be anti-Sheffer this soon, based on our past and his interview, imho.

Personally, I'm enjoying the show a lot more. The exaggerated interview was an important part, I think, because I was so worn down by the show after the neverending kidnapping crap that I needed someone who was excited and had plans about everyone and everything. So I'm ok with that, even if he turns out to be a liar. Especially since if he turns out to be a liar I know I'll have a ton of fun trashing him- it's part of Days (online) fan culture that I honestly enjoy.

I'm also with Phoenix about Chelsea acting in character, and I think the characters could stand one more cycle before a breaking point. At least we had a bit of a respite, y'know? Instead of dragging out Hope vs. Bo for 3-5 years- we saw some recognition of their own past, their own love by both characters- and it wasn't a stupid flashback or dream sequence. And we get to know that the baby is Bo's now, not in year 4 of the storyline. It was refreshing, and it's why I see it as fundamentally different from his immediate predecessor.

In any case, he's no worse than Corday, who tells us that new Days are ahead every 6 months or so only to piss us off somehow. So if he is a notorious liar- he'll fit in.

Also- it's entirely possible Lexie and RJ will be back. You never know what kind of ruse a show will throw up to make a character's "death" meaningful, and Lexie is a Dimera, after all. So it's kinda funny her firing sparked this discussion.

Unlike JER, it seems that very soon, Chelsea will be found out. The last time this happened, it took, what, almost a year for her to get busted? Yeah, it is repetative on HS's part, but at least he will not wait almost a full calender year before Bo & Hope find out about it. That's what I like so far about him.

Yup, like say for example Chelsea goes to Hope's home and says.........Hey Hope I have something to show you. Chelsea shows Hope the picture. Hope is outraged. She slaps Chelsea. And screams for her to leave. Presto! she has caused trouble for Bo and Hope without doing that stupid email recycled story again.

What difference would it have made? What some of you are saying is nit-picking.

It is the same plot point only her showing Hope the picture instead of sending it. This is faster and this way she sends it to more people then just Hope. Roman is right-this is a moot point because we know Hogan is not going to drag this out much longer. It may be a tad lazy but she is acting in character and I like the fact that the trust issues are still at focus. I don't care if JER did it or not. That was then and this is now and at least Hogan is making it a bit more interesting. The last time she altered emails and this time she is just sending a picture but it is going to effect Steve, Patrick, Hope, Bo, and Billie. It has a bigger effect as the last time it only involved strictly Bo and Hope and Chelsea wanting to have Bo on her side. Different circumstances this time then last but whatever. It will be over before we finish this argument

I've been catching up on all the posts and here is what I think about the Chelsea email scheme.

First, she is doing this out of spite while telling herself that when Steve and Hope see her mother and father together, they will realize that they belong together. That is really childish and I don't think an almost 20 year old Chelsea is quite that childish in thinking. However, I think that under emotional stress of the moment she could revert, so I'll overlook that. The main thing I see is that Hogan is taking this with a tried and known method of spite on Chelsea's part in order for everyone to understand that Chelsea did this and did it purposefully to upset people. It is a catalyst and in the end some strong emotions should surface. At least this is one result, but I'm pretty sure that is why Hogan chose the method.

I agree. He is working to bring Chelsea into the fold as a human being rather than an elusive wild child.

I don't think we can accurately have the "Is Sheffer a liar?" convo without knowing how much Corday is sticking his destructive, uncreative nose into things. If Sheffer doesn't have creative carte blanche, and his ideas were simply vetoed by Corday---which I find more than probable---then I'd hardly call them lies.

Well, I've been perusing through various message boards and the sense that I'm getting in the aftermath of Renee Jones' firing is that Hogan Sheffer's credibility is now on the line. Sheffer's detractors cite the fact that in interviews he said that he LOVED Abe and Lexie and had a 6 month storyline planned for Abe (and presumably Lexie). Some people on various message boards including here at SON are now saying that Hogan Sheffer is a LIAR and that his credibility is shot!!! How could he love Lexie and have a storyline planned for her with Renee Jones' exit? Hogie's critics say that he was just leading fans on with what they wanted to hear and that he really didn't mean what he said in earlier interviews

Well yes his creditablity is on the lineSince he is bringing back the Dimeras why get rid of the only blood dimera left on the show. But Like I have said the only way Hog kan redeem hisself is to bring on BOTH Kristen/susan, and Steffy

i find this to be true as well. I think Korday is a sorry ass producer at times. But he does do a good job in keeping the vets on. Days is the only show, next to the young and the restless that keeps them vets on the air heavily.

I don't think we can accurately have the "Is Sheffer a liar?" convo without knowing how much Corday is sticking his destructive, uncreative nose into things. If Sheffer doesn't have creative carte blanche, and his ideas were simply vetoed by Corday---which I find more than probable---then I'd hardly call them lies.