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Its weird but I thought Bogue was never right for Mallet, but he would have made a good Rick recast. Nice, cute, funny, and kinda looked like a handsomer Peter Simon. By that time MOL was a bloated mess and Rick became a caricature of his old self...mugging and acting goofy or just a sad sack. They should have moved MOL into being a director or something to keep him part of the team. Marina and her cutesy pie way of saying things got on my nerves. and Wheeler shouldnt ever use a couple's real life romance on screen...(word is she saw her and Bogue and thought they had so much chemistry together she put them on screen .so she broke Marina up from that Chippendales dancer guy and put Harley with him, making Harley look like a vindictive slut .and I wonder if part of it wasnt to jab at Ehlers too...) Zimmer had great chemistry with everyone and despite them trying to make her the sex goddess of all time, she had great "friends" chemistry with the guys in the cast..(she made Fletcher tolerable) so it is a shame she was in an endless cycle of men fallling in love with her. Plus, and its no insult as we all age...Zimmer didn't work as the love goddess during the last five years, but she would have worked as a quirky Bert Bauer type because she had the kind of warmth.

LOL..that is great, I love that Zimmer and Newman can make fun of their crappy stories of the later years. But they were right, the original Josh/Reva/HB stuff with Billy being a total d*ck was great, great stuff!

Martha is looking good..she was always so frumpy on ATWT. I liked what she said about everyone working together and can see why TPTB at a certain point considered her the morale booster of the show (I read somewhere that she got the twin storyline for reward for helping to keep everyone's morale up during post Marland, etc.) I like that Brygman called it "The factory" and I am sure he didn't mean it as a compliment. I think Colleen did like the last year as it was lighter stuff, she got to play Babs as more of a real person...and having some fun.

Nothing was quite there with Holmes as he really had zero chemistry with everyone. People who have a natural chemistry with everyone like Hastings, Fulton, Hays, had nothing with him. Terrible recast and I can't believe he stuck around as long as he did.

Very true...can you imagine if they had done that we would have had Lisa and Bob for over 20 years making up and breaking up, or Kim and Dan, etc, etc. I grew to really be disinterested in soaps when they would never break a couple up for good and let them grow. But the audience at that time would complain..they did when Zimmer and Newman on GL said they were sick of Josh and Reva and wanted to work with new people!

I think the thing with Andy is (and for once I agree with TPTB) he wasn't leading man material...I never thought the actor was that great...(he was either surly or looked like he was about to weep) and I think people just liked him as they saw him "grow up" and that he was so tied into the better days of the Marland years. They couldn't recast him or the audience would freak out and so he disappeared. I would have just recast with a better hotter actor or brought PK back for holidays or big events. Though I never got the Jack thing either...the actor was annoying and Carly and Jack were almost as worn out as Lilly and Holden and Josh and Reva.

Uh, that Martinez guy, with the crossed eyes??? I remember when they introduced him and gave him a back shot on the phone intro ala James Stenbeck of Bev Alex's first appearance...like anyone cared and he was interesting...(which reminds me of the scene where they had MarjAlex oooh and aaah over his..tatoos..cause you know tats are real street no matter what.) The Santos were Cuban or at least Carmen was..Tony said he remembered her trying to learn English when they first came over by reading the Night Before Christmas or something stupid like that!

Hated the Santos but damn did I love Granny Santos the real bad ass of that family. If they just hadn't made them mobsters (sorry even if you like them PAS and Tony the underwear model actor were the least believable mobsters since the ones they would have scare the Three Stooges or the Bowery Boys) An ethically challenged family with some ties to the underworld would have worked...with Granny Santos really pulling the strings. I can't believe that they never had Aunt Meta and Abeula have a face off....("I don't know about you Maria, but I have actually killed a man with a gun...I know how to get my hands dirty..") the farthest they got was that in any scene with Carmen or Abuela ,Stuart acted dismissive of both of them, as if Meta thought the family was a joke too.

I think Fulton did really well in the lawsuit storyline..and back in the day when she came back to the show preMarland and she was the McColl matriarch. But she was TERRIBLE during the Dobsons's second go around and later years..i think when she was bored or felt that the material wasnt good she chewed the scenery to get attention...when she felt comfortable she was okay. I loved LIsa but yea, Fulton's stuttering and jitterness could be annoying. Funny thing is, she always did well with Wagner, it seems Wagner was to Fulton like Nancy was to Lisa....My favorite line of the last five years..."Your NOT helping things DEAR!"

The Vicky Spaulding in the 90/00s was a different character than the one introduced in 1984. Victoria Tamberlaine was introduced in 1984 as the daughter of Brandon and Sharina. Vicky Spaulding was Victoria Tamberlaine's daughter. When Vicky showed up and was revealed to be Brandon's granddaughter, there was a throwaway line that Victoria Tamberlaine was dead. Which was reversed during Taggart's run in the "First Wive's Club" episodes. Alan mentions to Phillip that they have "Victoria's" and Vickies vote against Alex..(which doesnt make sense as Alex and Victoria both shared Brandon's death. But then, they casually make Amanda Alan' daughter again around then..or least he referred to her as his daughter. Vickie Spaulding was a wasted effort. She could have been the first balls out business bitch who secretly resented the white privledge of the Spauldings and worked against them. She actually did nothing really. wait seriously??? Yes, I have no idea if that was intentional or if it was mistake or if they thought it was too complicated to refer to her as his sister but they did. I just wish he and Alex would have a scene where they discussed that situation as "Brandon's last sick joke on us" and that a blood test rectified things.

Loud, obnoxious, over bearing, preening, annoying, self righteous, chip on his shoulder...all of those would make up a human with faults if anyone was allowed to call him on it, but everyone acted like he was the hero. Even Kim couldn't give him a buster when he was yelling at her! Before their was Lily, there was Steve, the biggest Mary Sue of them all! I do think they should have just killed him off as he was protecting Betsy or Dani. However, I do love the scene where Jame Stenbeck punches Steve to the ground!

Which episode???

The Vicky Spaulding in the 90/00s was a different character than the one introduced in 1984. Victoria Tamberlaine was introduced in 1984 as the daughter of Brandon and Sharina. Vicky Spaulding was Victoria Tamberlaine's daughter. When Vicky showed up and was revealed to be Brandon's granddaughter, there was a throwaway line that Victoria Tamberlaine was dead. Which was reversed during Tagger's run in the "First Wive's Club" episodes. Alan mentions to Phillip that they have "Victoria's" and Vickies vote against Alex..(which doesnt make sense as Alex and Victoria both shared Brandon's death. But then, they casually make Amanda Alan' daughter again around then..or least he referred to her as his daughter. Vickie Spaulding was a wasted effort. She could have been the first balls out business bitch who secretly resented the white privledge of the Spauldings and worked against them. She actually did nothing really.

I don't think that Marland ever wrote for Frank or Maggie..I think they left before his tenure, and to be fair, their story was over...(especially with career driven Maggie getting baby fever.) I think Maggie would be a character he would like to write for.

It's Cricket Montgomery (Lisa Loring) and Cody Sullivan (Beau Gravitte). LOL..as if that promo would bring viewers in!!..(but I have to wonder, were they going to a rodeo or something???) I have to say, the overacting maniac on SFT really wanted me to see the rest of this storyline which I am sure would be a hoot!

Hated John and Emma...it made no sense....(it was kind of like Holly and Buzz on GL later...just put together as they were in the same age range...) The scene I always remember is the feet scene...where Emma comes downstairs in her robe and tells John, right in front of her kids....to come up stairs and they can rub their feet together to keep warm....not something I wanted to think about at all!!! What made no sense was..I am from farm country, in Illinois too...and farmers are extremely conservative..and there was no way a farmer widow would be banging the town doc and flaunting it in front of her grown children. They also could have had conflict with Emma's earthy conservative "values," and John's sometimes still amoral attitude. But no, it was all about their kids and keeping their middle aged gross feet warm! Why did Marland break up John and Lucinda? They were gold and John and Iva were as dull as dishwater...and why did no one in the later years get those two together???They wouldnt even need a storyline they would have just been the anti Bob and Kim and bickering and rolling eyes at each other and everyone else in town.

There has to be some backstage things going on with Runyeon at this time. I remember the previous producer would let no one touch him, even in a fight scene, as he was "the star of the show."I also remember Runyeon (to his credit) talking about when he left ATWT he thought he was all that and when he went to SB and apparently didn't work out, he fell to earth. I am sure he was not HAPPY about Marlands embrace of the entire cast ensemble and the core characters..(especially that Marland created a Kim who would NOT take Steve yelling at her..God I would have love a "kiddo" scene between Steve and Kim.... One wonders how Marland would have handled Zimmer!!!

I loved Katie and Henry scheming...I never could figure out why they made her a romantic heroine and him, well, straight. Best case would have been Katie as the continued scheming comic relief character pain in the butt to Bob and Kim (who would consider her family since her mother was not in town) and Margo...and Henry as an out gay sometimes ally sometimes nemises of hers. Rose should have lived and Lily should have died...

How did they write Ellen out? Was it like mentioned and living in town but never seen like when Wagner left, or did she go visit Penny? Why did they write her out? How did they write the Judge out, did he die. I remember in an episode with the Greg Marx Tom, during one of Fulton's times off, they talk about Alma like she is alive..did she just disappear one day?

LOL..yes all the Andropolous men were a**holes! Watching this and knowing what is going to happen in the future with Mr. and Mrs. Pinter I think..."No Babs..run away!" I liked it when Lisa had her own little family that she would meddle with. I actually liked her and Brian's step relationship..they should have brought some of the McColl's back as you can't imagine Diana not getting into trouble in her life post Oakdale and Lisa getting involved. Poor Maggie..I wish she had told them all to go to hell!

I agree about MZ but again, there was a LOT of issues there. What they did was WRONG, no doubt about it but I can see their issue.. it is a horrible illness and to watch him slowly go down..plus hard as hell to write 6 weeks out as you never know how it progressives. I don't have the answer but yes, they should have treated him with respect at the end. And after he died they should have wrapped Roger up as others on this board wrote as ways to do so. And Holly and Roger should have found closer and peace..but no walking off into the sunset ala Josh and Reva.

Oh God, I had forgotten Charlotte Wheaton.. LOL...and the killer was...her sister (who we didn't know was her sister) bit part character Alicia whatever her name was who was a cliche scum raking TV reporter. But that at least involved the hospital and the Bauers...we were just getting ready to get the Infinity Gang and those damn double rings and Billy hypnotized to kill Kyle and the bad acting of Malloy..."Brother, BROTHER!" I never liked Malloy or Kyle but I thought they should have brought a recast Kyle back latter on to cause problems for Reva and Josh and we needed another rich baddie as Alan was getting tired and cliched. Yes, McTrash was the braniac behind Lonatrat. I think the idea was good, like Roger drugging Dinah to keep her in line and then lock her up to keep her trust fund, and then Dinah turning the tables...only I would have had her thinking she turned the tables, Rog knows all along, but it does lead up to a confrontation with Hart, where Roger actually DOES think he killed him...( I would have an accident where he goes over the cliff but does survive) and then Roger has a mental breakdown for a bit..all his past crimes coming back to him, etc. Holly would be the only one to pull him out of the hole. It would have touched on the fact that everyone, really thinks that Roger is really one step from being a maniac..especially the people who kenw him during his original reign of terror. But it was all cartoony with Dinah of all people getting one over on Roger...(when Alan, Alex, Billy, Vanessa, etc were barely able to..) However, Holly and Roger should NEVER have had a happy ending. They could have closer and an ending, but not a happy going into the sunset ending. I think Holly's happy ending should not have been Ed...(who was always really a friend above anything else) but for her deciding she needed no one in her life (romantically) she liked being a journalist and business owner and she has her own money and she is fine alone. What a different thing for a soap which has to pair everyone off.

I didn't mind Bradley Cole when he was Richard but Jeffrey never did 'it' for me. Jeffrey was too skeevy for my taste. How about when he was the supposed "stud," of SF and he screwed Beth on top the Spaulding Den Desk...(I can imagine what BevAlex would have to say about that..."Even BLAKE didn't stoop that low!" ) where Alan's coffee and muffins were waiting for him, and then we see a close up of Alan taking a big bite out of one....I have no idea what that was for but I HATED Jeffie from then on...(who could forget the Japanese restaraunt he did Beth in...GL under Conboy went retro Skinamax...

Because, he didn't have all those fruitcakes..most of them middle aged housefraus, who were in love with the actor like they were Mr. Brad Cole! What good is an interesting use of history when you have fans who are crazily dedicated to an actor...not that they ever brought the ratings up.

Good God that Lady Parts thing is so....weird!!! I sat through the one with Hurst and they acted like she wrote War and Peace..Otalia was boring, made no sense and the two had little to no chemsitry. ....plus that show looks like a couple of hippie's decided to film a show that no one else cared about on their ugly couch!