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@Paul Raven Sadly, I can see that scenario playing out.

Could Days eventually dig into the vaults and upload the Bill Bell years on their YT channel? It would be interesting to see actors that were later on Y&R/B&B and spot any Bill Bell elements from Y&R/B&B on Days.

Jealous scheming vixen sister of the kind-hearted heroine and they fight over a guy. Not that much different from Lorie Brooks.

We're 14 months away from the 50th anniversary and there's still nothing exciting happening to lead up to it. At least after the lull in the first half of 1997, the second half of that year built up to an excellent 25th anniversary in 1998.

Remember that Jackson family biopic from the 1990s? I don't think much of Janet's story was featured in it, that biopic seemed to focus more on the brothers.

Drake's collab w/ a Toronto group, taking the chorus from 2Pac's Temptations and Zapp's Computer Love.

Agree, Jaime Lyn Bauer was made for primetime soaps. I'm actually surprised CBS didn't try to keep JLB in the family after she left Y&R and get her casted on one of their big three primetime soaps. Can we think of a role that she could've done well as?

Kelly Patel from Empire.

Y&R Victor and B&B Stephanie.

Straight up hot garbage.

We hold Bill Bell to a higher standard, but even he had missteps: several stories during the 1980-1982 transition era, Cricket eating the show from summer 1986 to the end of 1989, Nick/Sharon eating the show from fall 1994 to spring 1996, the lull of fall 1996 through the first half of 1997. Since John Abbott was killed off, it's been one misstep after another.

Grand Hotel with grapes. At least Grand Hotel had Miami heat (pun not intended), but I didn't get that from Promised Land.

Yes, once Bill Bell established Victor's back story of the orphanage and his becoming a self-made man. When mysterious wealthy businessman Victor was introduced as the show's new villain, he was initially drawn to Lorie, the vixen daughter of the main upper class family. I can't remember if Bill Bell ever explored that Victor's relationship failures might have been due to his not having his mother around for most of his childhood. Nikki was introduced as the troublemaking younger sister of the new doctor in town. That's how she ended up involved in a modeling agency that was a front for prostitution, joining a cult, and climbing the pole. Then came the My Fair Lady story with Victor and the rest is history.

Also both were part of the classic soap element sisters fighting over a guy. Brad E. was drawn to Leslie but pursued by Lorie. Brad C. married both Traci and Ashley. Bill Bell reused Lorie's parentage and Leslie's emotional breakdown for Ashley, and Peggy's involvement with her college professor for Traci. Let's break down Victor's love interests from 1980-1999, which ones would you classify as needy? The wives - Julia, Nikki, Leanna (not legal), Ashley, Hope, Diane The flings - Cassandra, Jill, Ramona The one that got away - Lorie The one that might have been but never was - Christine (yeah, I said it)

Ratings: ABC's 'Promised Land' Has a Very Unpromising Debut (thewrap.com)

Season finale tonight.

Not impressed. This is the last new primetime soap this season.

@soapfan770 How was Jill hooking up w/ Victor not Jill-like? Jill was Y&R's original social climbing vixen, always on the lookout for a come up. Remember a decade earlier she kicked Andy to the curb when John Abbott returned to Genoa City. If I remember 1992 storylines correctly, Jill was interested in Blade but he was drawn to Ashley. Not long after was the Victor/Jill hookup. Fall 1992 Victor was all alone. His marriage to Ashley had ended and Nikki decided to stay married to Jack. Jill was a diversion, I'd say, but no real love on his part.

This was when BD started to get OTT in her acting. I don't think EB took her seriously in that scene. OTOH I recently saw some summer 1989 scenes w/ EB and JW and it seemed Victor and Jill were intrigued by each other. I think those scenes planted the seed for the Victor/Jill hookup in the fall of 1992. Would Victor and Jill have worked as a 1990s business power couple?

@ironlion Victor/Matt/Nikki/Ashley were listed in the "Brothers Fighting over a Girl" thread. Sibling quads in this thread are two brothers and two sisters. Another Y&R sibling quad: Neil/Malcolm/Olivia/Dru

Since previous threads on this topic are archived, let's restart a discussion on the decade where reality shows became a thing, CBS made a comeback, and Fox had their first Top 10 and #1 shows. Top 10 shows for each season of the 2000s. 2000/01: 1. Survivor (first season), 2. ER (1999/2000 4th), 3. Who Wants to be a Millionaire – Wednesday (first season), 4. Who Wants to be a Millionaire – Tuesday (1999/2000 1st), 5. Friends (1999/2000 5th), 5. Monday Night Football (1999/2000 7th), 5. Everybody Loves Raymond (1999/2000 12th), 8. Who Wants to be a Millionaire – Sunday (1999/2000 3rd), 9. Law & Order (1999/2000 11th), 10. The Practice (1999/2000 9th). Who Wants to be a Millionaire – Thursday falls from 2nd in 1999/2000 to 11th, tied w/ CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (first season) and The West Wing. Frasier falls from 6th in 1999/2000 to 17th (time slot changed from Thursday 9 pm to Tuesday 9 pm), tied w/ Temptation Island. 60 Minutes falls from 8th in 1999/2000 to 15th. Touched by an Angel falls from 10th in 1999/2000 to 22nd, tied w/ Cursed (later renamed The Weber Show) and NYPD Blue. 2001/02: 1. Friends, 2. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, 3. ER, 4. Everybody Loves Raymond, 5. Law & Order, 6. Survivor, 7. Monday Night Football, 8. The West Wing, 9. Will & Grace (2000/01 14th), 9. Leap of Faith (first and only season). The Practice falls to 23rd. Who Wants to be a Millionaire falls below the Top 30. 2002/03: 1. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, 2. Friends, 3. Joe Millionaire (first season), 4. ER, 5. American Idol – Tuesday (first season), 6. American Idol – Wednesday (first season), 7. Survivor, 7. Everybody Loves Raymond, 9. Law & Order, 10. Monday Night Football. The West Wing falls to 21st. Will & Grace falls to 11th, tied w/ CSI: Miami (first season). 2003/04: 1. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, 2. American Idol – Tuesday, 3. American Idol – Wednesday, 4. Friends (final season), 5. The Apprentice (first season), 6. ER, 7. Survivor, 8. CSI: Miami, 9. Monday Night Football, 9. Everybody Loves Raymond. Joe Millionaire falls below the Top 30 (time slot changed from Monday 9 pm to Monday 8 pm). Law & Order falls to 12th. 2004/05: 1. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, 2. American Idol – Tuesday, 3. American Idol – Wednesday, 4. Desperate Housewives (first season), 5. CSI: Miami, 6. Without a Trace (2003/04 11th), 7. Survivor, 8. Grey’s Anatomy (first season), 9. Everybody Loves Raymond (final season), 10. Monday Night Football. The Apprentice falls to 14th, tied w/ Cold Case. ER falls to 12th. 2005/06: 1. American Idol – Tuesday, 2. American Idol – Wednesday, 3. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, 4. Desperate Housewives, 5. Grey’s Anatomy, 6. Without a Trace, 7. Dancing with the Stars (first season), 8. CSI: Miami, 9. Monday Night Football (final season on ABC), 9. House (2004/05 23rd). Survivor falls to 11th. 2006/07: 1. American Idol – Wednesday, 2. American Idol – Tuesday, 3. Dancing with the Stars – Monday, 3. Dancing with the Stars – Tuesday, 3. Dancing with the Stars – Wednesday, 6. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, 7. Grey’s Anatomy (time slot changed from Sunday 10 pm to Thursday 9 pm), 8. House, 9. Desperate Housewives, 10. CSI: Miami. Without a Trace falls to 12th (time slot changed from Thursday 10 pm to Sunday 10 pm). 2007/08: 1. American Idol – Tuesday, 2. American Idol – Wednesday, 3. Dancing with the Stars, 4. Dancing with the Stars – Results, 5. Desperate Housewives, 6. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, 7. House, 8. Grey’s Anatomy, 9. Sunday Night Football (2006/07 11th). 10. CSI: Miami, 10. NCIS (2006/07 15th). 2008/09: 1. American Idol – Wednesday, 2. American Idol – Tuesday, 3. Dancing with the Stars, 4. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, 5. NCIS, 6. The Mentalist (first season), 7. Dancing with the Stars – Results, 8. Sunday Night Football, 9. Desperate Housewives, 10. Grey’s Anatomy. CSI: Miami falls to 12th, tied w/ Two and a Half Men. House falls to 17th (time slot changed from Tuesday 9 pm to Monday 8 pm). 2009/10: 1. American Idol – Tuesday, 2. American Idol – Wednesday, 3. Dancing with the Stars, 4. NCIS, 5. Sunday Night Football, 6. The Mentalist (time slot changed from Tuesday 9 pm to Thursday 10 pm), 7. Dancing with the Stars – Results, 8. NCIS: Los Angeles (first season), 8. Undercover Boss (first season), 10. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation. Desperate Housewives falls to 13th. Grey’s Anatomy falls to 11th. By network CBS: Survivor, Everybody Loves Raymond, CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, CSI: Miami, Without a Trace, NCIS, The Mentalist, NCIS: Los Angeles, Undercover Boss ABC: Who Wants to be a Millionaire, Monday Night Football, The Practice, Desperate Housewives, Grey’s Anatomy, Dancing with the Stars NBC: ER, Friends, Law & Order, The West Wing, Will & Grace, Leap of Faith, The Apprentice, Sunday Night Football Fox: Joe Millionaire, American Idol, House

Remember these tweets that went viral? They pretty much tell us whom Y&R's main viewers are.

I'm still waiting for EB's first episode to surface, and also Christmas 1981 where we first learn about Victor's childhood.

CN allegedly had substance abuse issues that lead to the firing. Bill Bell strikes me as the type to have a zero tolerance policy at his shows. Remember JC went to rehab in the 1980s.

@soapfan770 Thanks for the GC tour guide. Is that from the 25th anniversary book?