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@BetterForgotten I know it's the 1990s thread but keeping it real here, 60 Minutes and Murder She Wrote basically carried CBS from when Dallas fell out of the Top 10 until the start of Survivor and CSI. That's what 14 years, yikes.

More like from the late 1980s, once Dallas fell out of the Top 10.

Fox network firsts End the season in the Top 30: The Simpsons (28th, tied w/ Night Court and Doogie Howser, M.D.) in 1989/90 End the season in the Top 20: The X-Files (11th), King of the Hill (15th), The Simpsons (18th) in 1997/98 End the season in the Top 10: Joe Millionaire (3rd) and American Idol (Tuesday 5th, Wednesday 6th) in 2002/03 End the season at #1: American Idol - Tuesday in 2005/06

Top 10 shows for each season of the 1980s. 1980/81: 1. Dallas (1979/80 6th), 2. The Dukes of Hazzard (1979/80 9th), 3. 60 Minutes (1979/80 1st), 4. M*A*S*H (1979/80 4th, tied w/ Alice), 5. The Love Boat (1979/80 23rd, tied w/ Benson), 6. The Jeffersons (1979/80 8th), 7. Alice (1979/80 4th, tied w/ M*A*S*H), 8. House Calls (1979/80 14th, tied w/ Real People), 9. Three’s Company (1979/80 2nd), 10. Little House on the Prairie (1979/80 16th). That’s Incredible! falls from 3rd in 1979/80 to 22nd. Flo falls from 7th in 1979/80 to below the Top 30 in its final season; time slot changed from Monday 9:30 pm to Monday 8 pm. One Day at a Time falls from 10th in 1979/80 to 11th. 1981/82: 1. Dallas (time slot changed from Friday 10 pm to Friday 9 pm), 2. 60 Minutes, 3. The Jeffersons, 4. Three’s Company, 5. Alice, 6. The Dukes of Hazzard (time slot changed from Friday 9 pm to Friday 8 pm), 6. Too Close for Comfort (1980/81 15th, tied w/ Happy Days), 8. ABC Monday Night Movie (first season of the 1980s), 9. M*A*S*H, 10. One Day at a Time. The Love Boat falls to 14th. House Calls falls to 23rd in its final season. Little House on the Prairie falls to 24th, tied w/ The Facts of Life. 1982/83: 1. 60 Minutes, 2. Dallas, 3. M*A*S*H (final season); 3. Magnum, P.I. (1981/82 17th); 5. Dynasty (1981/82 19th), 6. Three’s Company, 7. Simon & Simon (1981/82 below the Top 30; time slot changed from Tuesday 8 pm to Thursday 9 pm), 8. Falcon Crest (1981/82 13th), 9. The Love Boat, 10. The A-Team (first season), 10. Monday Night Football (1981/82 11th). The Jeffersons falls to 12th (time slot changed from Sunday 9:30 pm to Sunday 9 pm), tied w/ Newhart (first season). Alice falls below the Top 30; time slot changed from Sunday 9 pm to Wednesday 9 pm. The Dukes of Hazzard falls to 30th, tied w/ Real People. Too Close for Comfort falls below the Top 30 in its final season on ABC; time slot changed from Tuesday 9:30 pm to Thursday 9 pm. ABC Monday Night Movie falls to 24th. One Day at a Time falls to 16th; time slot changed from Sunday 8:30 pm to Sunday 9:30 pm. 1983/84: 1. Dallas, 2. 60 Minutes, 3. Dynasty (time slot changed from Wednesday 10 pm to Wednesday 9 pm), 4. The A-Team, 5. Simon & Simon; 6. Magnum, P.I.; 7. Falcon Crest, 8. Kate & Allie (first season), 9. Hotel (first season), 10. Cagney & Lacey (1982/83 below the Top 30). Three’s Company falls below the Top 30 in its final season. The Love Boat falls to 17th. Monday Night Football falls to 21st, tied w/ NBC Monday Night Movie. 1984/85: 1. Dynasty, 2. Dallas, 3. The Cosby Show (first season), 4. 60 Minutes, 5. Family Ties (1983/84 below the Top 30), 6. The A-Team, 7. Simon & Simon; 8. Murder, She Wrote (first season); 9. Knots Landing (1983/84 11th), 10. Falcon Crest, 10. Crazy Like a Fox (first season). Magnum, P.I. falls to 15th. Kate & Allie falls to 17th. Hotel falls to 12th, tied w/ Cheers. Cagney & Lacey falls to 28th. 1985/86: 1. The Cosby Show, 2. Family Ties; 3. Murder, She Wrote; 4. 60 Minutes, 5. Cheers, 6. Dallas, 7. Dynasty, 7. The Golden Girls (first season), 9. Miami Vice (1984/85 below the Top 30), 10. Who’s the Boss (1984/85 below the Top 30; time slot changed from Tuesday 8:30 pm to Tuesday 8 pm). The A-Team falls to 30th. Simon & Simon falls to 29th. Knots Landing falls to 17th, tied w/ Growing Pains (first season). Falcon Crest falls to 24th, tied w/ Moonlighting and Valerie. Crazy Like a Fox falls below the Top 30 in its final season; time slot changed midseason from Sunday 9 pm to Wednesday 9 pm then Saturday 8 pm. 1986/87: 1. The Cosby Show, 2. Family Ties, 3. Cheers; 4. Murder, She Wrote; 5. The Golden Girls, 6. 60 Minutes, 7. Night Court (1985/86 11th), 8. Growing Pains, 9. Moonlighting, 10. Who’s the Boss. Dallas falls to 11th. Dynasty falls to 24th, tied w/ Highway to Heaven. Miami Vice falls to 26th (time slot changed from Friday 10 pm to Friday 9 pm), tied w/ Knots Landing. 1987/88: 1. The Cosby Show, 2. A Different World (first season), 3. Cheers, 4. The Golden Girls, 5. Growing Pains (time slot changed from Tuesday 8:30 pm to Wednesday 8 pm), 6. Who’s the Boss, 7. Night Court, 8. 60 Minutes; 9. Murder, She Wrote; 10. ALF (1986/87 28th, tied w/ Hunter), 10. The Wonder Years (first season). Family Ties falls to 17th; time slot changed from Thursday 8:30 pm to Sunday 8 pm. Moonlighting falls to 12th, tied w/ L.A. Law. 1988/89: 1. The Cosby Show, 2. Roseanne (first season), 3. A Different World, 4. Cheers, 5. 60 Minutes, 6. The Golden Girls, 7. Who’s the Boss; 8. Murder, She Wrote; 9. Empty Nest (first season), 10. Anything but Love (first season). Growing Pains falls to 13th, tied w/ L.A. Law. Night Court falls to 21st; time slot changed from Thursday 9:30 pm to Wednesday 9 pm. ALF falls to 15th, tied w/ Monday Night Football. The Wonder Years falls to 22nd, tied w/ The Hogan Family and NBC Sunday Night Movie. 1989/90: 1. The Cosby Show, 1. Roseanne, 3. Cheers, 4. A Different World, 5. America’s Funniest Home Videos (first season), 6. The Golden Girls, 7. 60 Minutes, 8. The Wonder Years, 9. Empty Nest, 10. Monday Night Football. Who’s the Boss falls to 12th. Murder, She Wrote falls to 13th, tied w/ Chicken Soup. Anything but Love falls below the Top 30; time slot changed from Tuesday 9:30 pm to Wednesday 9:30 pm. By network CBS: Dallas, The Dukes of Hazzard, 60 Minutes, M*A*S*H, The Jeffersons, Alice, House Calls, One Day at a Time; Magnum, P.I.; Simon & Simon, Falcon Crest, Kate & Allie, Cagney & Lacey; Murder, She Wrote; Knots Landing, Crazy Like a Fox ABC: The Love Boat, Three’s Company, Too Close for Comfort, ABC Monday Night Movie, Dynasty, Monday Night Football, Hotel, Who’s the Boss, Growing Pains, Moonlighting, The Wonder Years, Roseanne, Anything but Love, America’s Funniest Home Videos NBC: Little House on the Prairie, The A-Team, The Cosby Show, Family Ties, Cheers, The Golden Girls, Miami Vice, Night Court, A Different World, ALF, Empty Nest

Shows in the Top 10 by network. CBS: 60 Minutes, Murphy Brown, Designing Women, Murder She Wrote, Major Dad, CBS Sunday Movie, Touched by an Angel. Four of the seven shows in the Top 10 during the 1990s were broadcast on Sunday (60 Minutes, Murder She Wrote, CBS Sunday Movie, Touched by an Angel) and the remaining three were broadcast on Monday (Murphy Brown, Designing Women, Major Dad). ABC: Roseanne, America's Funniest Home Videos, Monday Night Football, Home Improvement, Full House, Coach, Room for Two, Grace Under Fire, NYPD Blue, Who Wants to be a Millionaire, The Practice. Eleven shows made the Top 10 during the 1990s (I counted Who Wants to be a Millionaire as one show). Disney completed their purchase of ABC in 1996 and in the early years of Disney's ownership, it seems like Monday Night Football and Home Improvement were the only solid hits until Who Wants to be a Millionaire premiered. NBC: Cheers, A Different World, The Cosby Show, Empty Nest, The Golden Girls, Seinfeld, Frasier, ER, Friends, Caroline in the City, The Single Guy, Boston Common, Suddenly Susan, The Naked Truth, Fired Up, Veronica's Closet, Union Square, Jesse. Eighteen shows made the Top 10 during the 1990s and nine of them were short-lived time slot hits (Caroline in the City, The Single Guy, Boston Common, Suddenly Susan, The Naked Truth, Fired Up, Veronica's Closet, Union Square, Jesse) that benefitted from the Thursday night powerhouse trio of Friends, Seinfeld, ER. Sixteen of the 18 shows in the Top 10 during the 1990s were broadcast on Thursday (Cheers, A Different World, The Cosby Show, Seinfeld, Frasier, ER, Friends, Caroline in the City, The Single Guy, Boston Common, Suddenly Susan, The Naked Truth, Fired Up, Veronica's Closet, Union Square, Jesse) and the remaining two were broadcast on Saturday (The Golden Girls, Empty Nest).

I thought I was the only person who wasn't a fan of the 1990s big sitcom trio of Seinfeld, Friends, Home Improvement 🤣

The writer's strike was March-August 1988.

I couldn't find any previous threads related to 1990s ratings so I decided to start one. Top 10 shows for each season of the 1990s. 1990/91: 1. Cheers (1989/90 3rd), 2. 60 Minutes (1989/90 7th), 3. Roseanne (1989/90 tied for 1st w/ The Cosby Show), 4. A Different World (1989/90 4th), 5. The Cosby Show (1989/90 tied for 1st w/ Roseanne), 6. Murphy Brown (1989/90 27th), 7. Empty Nest (1989/90 9th), 7. America's Funniest Home Videos (1989/90 5th), 9. Monday Night Football (1989/90 10th), 10. The Golden Girls (1989/90 6th), 10. Designing Women (1989/90 tied for 22nd w/ Full House). The Wonder Years falls from 8th in 1989/90 to 30th (time slot changed from Tuesday 8:30 pm to Wednesday 8 pm). 1991/92: 1. 60 Minutes, 2. Roseanne, 3. Murphy Brown, 4. Cheers, 4. Home Improvement (first season), 6. Designing Women, 7. Full House (1990/91 14th; time slot changed from Friday 8 pm to Tuesday 8 pm); 8. Murder, She Wrote (1990/91 12th); 9. Major Dad (1990/91 tied for 21st w/ In the Heat of the Night), 10. Coach (1990/91 18th), 10. Room for Two (first season). A Different World falls to 17th. The Cosby Show falls to 18th in its final season. Empty Nest falls to 22nd (time slot changed from Saturday 9:30 pm to Saturday 9 pm), tied w/ The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. America's Funniest Home Videos falls to 20th. Monday Night Football falls to 12th. The Golden Girls falls to 30th in its final season (time slot changed from Saturday 9 pm to Saturday 8 pm), tied w/ In the Heat of the Night. 1992/93: 1. 60 Minutes, 2. Roseanne, 3. Home Improvement (time slot changed from Tuesday 8:30 pm to Wednesday 9 pm), 4. Murphy Brown; 5. Murder, She Wrote; 6. Coach, 7. Monday Night Football, 8. CBS Sunday Movie (1991/92 14th), 8. Cheers (final season), 10. Full House. Designing Women falls to 67th in its final season (time slot changed from Monday 9:30 pm to Friday 9 pm). Major Dad falls to 69th in its final season (time slot changed from Monday 8:30 pm to Friday 8:30 pm). Room for Two falls to 105th in its final season (time slot changed from Wednesday 9 pm to Thursday 8:30 pm), tied w/ The Powers that Be and What Happened. 1993/94: 1. 60 Minutes, 2. Home Improvement, 3. Seinfeld (1992/93 25th, time slot changed from Thursday 8:30 pm to Thursday 9 pm), 4. Roseanne, 5. Grace Under Fire (first season), 6. Coach, 7. Frasier (first season), 8. Monday Night Football, 9. Murphy Brown, 10. CBS Sunday Movie. Murder, She Wrote falls to 11th. Full House falls to 16th. 1994/95: 1. Seinfeld, 2. ER (first season), 3. Home Improvement (time slot changed from Wednesday 9 pm to Tuesday 9 pm), 4. Grace Under Fire (time slot changed from Wednesday 9:30 pm to Tuesday 9:30 pm), 5. Monday Night Football, 6. 60 Minutes, 7. NYPD Blue (1993/94 18th, tied w/ Wings); 8. Murder, She Wrote; 8. Friends (first season), 10. Roseanne (time slot changed from Tuesday 9 pm to Wednesday 9 pm). Coach falls to 53rd (time slot changed from Tuesday 9:30 pm to Monday 8 pm), tied w/ Pride and Joy. Frasier falls to 15th (time slot changed from Thursday 9:30 pm to Tuesday 9 pm). Murphy Brown falls to 16th. CBS Sunday Movie falls to 18th. 1995/96: 1. ER, 2. Seinfeld, 3. Friends (time slot changed from Thursday 9:30 pm to Thursday 8 pm), 4. Caroline in the City (first season), 5. Monday Night Football, 6. The Single Guy (first season), 7. Home Improvement, 8. Boston Common (first season), 9. 60 Minutes, 10. NYPD Blue. Grace Under Fire falls to 13th (time slot changed from Tuesday 9:30 pm to Wednesday 9 pm). Murder She Wrote falls to 58th in its final season (time slot changed from Sunday 8 pm to Thursday 8 pm). Roseanne falls to 16th (time slot changed from Wednesday 9 pm to Tuesday 8 pm). 1996/97: 1. ER, 2. Seinfeld, 3. Suddenly Susan (first season), 4. Friends, 4. The Naked Truth (first season on NBC), 6. Fired Up (first season), 7. Monday Night Football, 8. The Single Guy (final season), 9. Home Improvement, 10. Touched by an Angel (1995/96 34th, time slot changed from Saturday 9 pm to Sunday 8 pm). Caroline in the City falls to 23rd (time slot changed from Thursday 9:30 pm to Tuesday 9:30 pm), tied w/ Walker Texas Ranger, Mad About You, NBC Monday Movie. Boston Common falls to 51st in its final season (time slot changed from Thursday 8:30 pm to Sunday 8:30 pm), tied w/ Boy Meets World. 60 Minutes falls to 11th. NYPD Blue falls to 13th. 1997/98: 1. Seinfeld (final season), 2. ER, 3. Veronica's Closet (first season), 4. Friends, 5. Touched by an Angel, 6. Monday Night Football, 7. Union Square (first and only season), 8. 60 Minutes, 9. CBS Sunday Movie (1996/97 14th), 10. Home Improvement. Suddenly Susan falls to 65th (time slot changed from Thursday 8:30 pm to Monday 8 pm), tied w/ Nash Bridges, Wonderful World of Disney, That's Life. The Naked Truth falls to 69th in its final season (time slot changed from Thursday 9:30 pm to Monday 9:30 pm). Fired Up falls to 80th in its final season (time slot changed from Thursday 9:30 pm to Monday 8:30 pm), tied w/ Boy Meets World, For Your Love, Melrose Place. 1998/99: 1. ER, 2. Friends, 3. Frasier (1997/98 14th; time slot changed from Tuesday 9 pm to Thursday 9 pm), 4. Monday Night Football, 5. Veronica's Closet, 5. Jesse (first season), 7. 60 Minutes, 8. Touched by an Angel, 9. CBS Sunday Movie, 10. Home Improvement (final season; time slot changed from Tuesday 9 pm to Tuesday 8 pm) 1999/2000: 1. Who Wants to be a Millionaire - Tuesday (first season), 2. Who Wants to be a Millionaire - Thursday (first season), 3. Who Wants to be a Millionaire - Sunday (first season), 4. ER, 5. Friends, 6. Frasier, 7. Monday Night Football, 8. 60 Minutes, 9. The Practice (1998/99 33rd, tied w/ Dateline Wednesday), 10. Touched by an Angel. Veronica's Closet falls to 82nd in its final season (time slot changed from Thursday 9:30 pm to Monday 8:30 pm), tied w/ Greed, That 70s Show, Early Edition, Cops 2, Cosby. Jesse falls to 13th in its final season. CBS Sunday Movie falls to 14th. NBC's Thursday night powerhouse trio of Friends, Seinfeld, ER resulted in a lot of short-lived time slot hits (Caroline in the City, The Single Guy, Boston Common, Suddenly Susan, The Naked Truth, Fired Up, Veronica's Closet, Union Square, Jesse). Also of note is that Home Improvement was in the Top 10 for its entire run.

Since we've had threads on brothers fighting over a girl and sisters fighting over a guy, let's go to the next level. Two brothers and two sisters in a quadrangle. I'd say the gold standard of sibling quadrangles was Y&R's Lance/Lucas/Leslie/Lorie. That quad had the Le Morte d'Arthur influence and biblical allusions, plus Lance and Lucas's mother Vanessa in the background which took the quad to a whole other level.

Today (January 14) marks 15 years since Darlene Conley passed away. RIP. OG Sally Spectra will forever live on in the hearts of B&B fans around the world.

Great idea @Franko Y&R owns this thread: Snapper/Greg/Chris Lance/Lucas/Leslie/Lorie Jazz/Tyrone/Amy Victor/Matt/Nikki/Ashley Neil/Malcolm/Olivia/Dru

I remember Mamie was addressed several times as Mrs. Johnson. I don't think we ever knew what Mamie and Lillie Belle's maiden name was.

I think it was established that Mamie was a widow with no children when she came to work for the Abbott family. In a 1988 episode, it was mentioned that Mamie had worked for the Abbotts for 25 years.

I hated that Ridge took advantage of a drunk Caroline, especially when you consider that less than a year earlier Caroline was raped.

Mamie was de-aged too with the recast. Marguerite Ray was born in 1931, Veronica Redd was born in 1948.

From what I've seen/read, the contrasts between Leslie (kind-hearted emotionally fragile heroine) and Lorie (jealous scheming vixen), and the relationship each had with their father Stuart was a big part of their dynamic.

A common soap storyline is sisters fighting over a guy. That element also has a biblical allusion (Rachel/Leah). Which soap storylines of sisters fighting over a guy from current or former daytime or primetime soaps are the favorites of this board?

I wasn't impressed. This season has not been good for primetime soaps. Our Kind of People and Queens are both flops, let's see what Promised Land will be like.

Is MTS no longer on contract?

Bill exposed Ridge's cheating to Caroline just before the wedding and then pushed her towards Thorne, whom she didn't really love. That's pretty manipulative to me. Yes, Ridge did hurt Caroline but I didn't list him as his actions weren't manipulative in the way Bill and Brooke were.

I was team Caroline. I felt so bad for her that she was manipulated by two people she trusted the most, her father Bill and her one-time best friend Brooke.

Murder She Wrote took a swipe at Friends in the 1996 episode "Murder Among Friends" and at CBS in it's final episode "Death by Demographics".

When an entire calendar year passes with no enjoyment of a single episode, it's another sign things are bad. We're 14 1/2 months away from the 50th anniversary and I'm still hoping we'll get something big to lead up to it.

'The Kings of Napa' Premieres Tuesday, January 11th (oprah.com)

I'd say 1984/1985 was the peak of primetime soaps, as the big four all finished in the Top 10 that season. 1985/1986 was the start of the decline and they all should've been done by 1987/1988.