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It was the latter half of Nov 84, and they scatter Brandon and Sharina's ashes the first week of December. It's some beautiful location scenes. Vicky didn't reveal herself, a pissed off Vanessa told Alan. Michael, of course was the doctor who saved Vanessa. I'm not exactly sure why, but Vanessa blamed Vicky for his death.

Yes, Lenore Kasdorf played Rita. Have you seen the Funhouse mirrors clips?

There are several factors at play though. I think Bridget had only been living with Mo and Ed for a year. Mo had stuck up for her with Ed when she had caused trouble, and Bridget didn't want to disappoint Mo. Then there was the fact Mo couldn't have children, which might have been awkward. I also think they intentionally mirrored Vanessa's story, with Bridget hiding and pretending to be out of town on a trip. And, somewhat hilariously, Bridget testifies that she was in part using Nadine, and kind of felt like she could bide her time with Nadine, and leave if she came up with a better plan (which I guess really means if/when Hart returned to town.) About GL's relationships---well, it depends on what era you're watching and who's involved.

I only scan the last few years for Vanessa and Billy. How Vanessa's children are running around being such brats I'm not sure.

Bill named it Maximus. Max was the name of the baby that he and Ava were going to raise. I shouldn't have said Lewis Construction started after Phillip took over Lewis Oil. Lewis had a construction division starting in the late '80's. When Josh came back to town, he had started working at a construction firm, and the owner died and left it to him. When Josh goes back to Lewis, he merges it with Lewis Oil. In the '90's Dylan is working in it, as he would rather be involved in construction rather than at the main office. Hart also briefly works there, when Billy hires him rather than press charges when he attempts to steal money from The Towers. (That added gas to the feud between Billy and Roger.)

I remember reading something about in the late '90s that Phillip took over Lewis Oil. And something about how Josh, Billy, Jim and Matt quit rather than work for him. Then Lewis Construction started. At the end, it's either Lewis Construction or HB Lewis and Sons, as that seems to be the sign in Billy's office. At one point around '07 or '08 (whenever Josh decided to run off and be a preacher), he leaves the company in Billy's hands. Billy starts drinking and accepts a bid from a dodgy supplier and there's some kind of building collapse. Cassie (I think) accepts the blame to protect Billy/the company. Later, Bill ousts Billy from the business and tips off the press that Billy's drinking again. I'm not exactly sure if Bill merged Lewis with Spaulding, or if he and Dinah managed to take over Spaulding and renamed it Maximus.

uhm...ewww. But thanks! It seemed like everyone in town at some point owned the station. I think at one point, Josh bought it.

I think Mo starts taking on the Bauer matriarch role when Charita couldn't work and Bert left town. She's suddenly everybody's friend, being stepmom to Rick and mothering Michelle from birth. She'd dole out advice to women who miscarried (or in Reva's case when she was told she shouldn't have any more children after Marah---that's a laugh and a half.) She befriends new people in town, and even thinks the villainous Roger just "really needs a guy friend". I think they said she went to visit her mother Barbara. Then when Blake was in a coma, she was raising the kids in Europe. I don't know how Dinah got the station. She had owned it in the late'90's, and at some point in the late '00's, I recall Vanessa saying that Dinah had fired her after the head injury. The only reason I can recall Vanessa was running it was that Billy kidnapped her from there at the end, trying to surprise her with a wedding. Reva just really coasted from man to man. They were all throwing money at her to either keep her in their lives or get them out of it. RME.

Right? Reva rarely works. Other than right after Marah's birth, Reva never had to support her kids. Josh took care of Marah and Shayne. Dylan and Jon came to town as adults. I would suppose that HB left her money, as he always had a soft spot for her.

Vanessa is running it because Dinah skipped town. Dinah owns it. Alan actually wanted to marry Vanessa twice. In '84, he decided he'd rather marry Vanessa than risk her shares coming under the Lewis influence. In '87, well, I'm not really sure why. It's probably as much about keeping her away from Ross as her business acumen or solidifying his position in the company by gaining the Chamberlain voting block.

Lynn Herring, Robin Mattson, Billy Warlock, that greasy Professor who was harrassing Noah and had been on OLTL, flippin' Sarah Brown, Howarth, Real Andrews (although he was a sweetie), Howarth....basically any ABC actor who went off contract it seemed.

Thanks! It would've been interesting to see Gary come back, but alas. As others have said, Van didn't hate the Spauldings, but I wouldn't call her particularly close to them personally. Henry was the one who was close to Alex, Alan, and Phillip. Vanessa usually was a bystander as the Spauldings fought over the company or their position in the pecking order. I took Vanessa's capitulation to Roger as the product of her helplessness. She's more worried about her family than the Spauldings, and they are people who do treat each other terribly. She knew Roger well enough to know that he'd force the information out of her and use anyone he could to do it. And she didn't really do much but confirm that there was something Alex had over Alan. Did it ever come out that Vanessa had said anything to Roger? I wouldn't say that Alan or Alex remembered Brandon fondly. They occasionally remembered how close they'd been as children. But Brandon was always someone they feared, even when they tried to earn his love.

Vanessa wasn't the only one. Mo, Claire, Trish--Long didn't know what to do with any woman in Reva's age group really. Mindy and Beth are her creations, and younger, so at least they had story.

Now that I watched a couple of more episodes....Van and Alan do mention their history and how this would be making order out of their chaotic lives and not a love match (which of course causes chaos). But time and again, Alan tells Van one thing, only to run to Reva and say the exact opposite. He proposes to Van out of the blue, then turns around and invites Reva on a business trip to Hawaii. OY. There is a delicious moment after Alan and Van have sex where she flat out tells him that if he marries her and then turns around and hurts her, she will make him pay. DAMN...talk about a missed opportunity. It was like 1982 Van stepped out of a painting (LOL) and came out to play. Yes, of course Van should've wiped the floor with Reva. But Long was never interested in Reva being on the losing end of any fight. What I also noticed is how Vanessa's wardrobe practically changed on a dime with Long's return. Just a few months before, Van is in cute, flirty dresses (the dress that Harley later wears, there's a red sundress-y type that she wears to the anniversary celebration, and a real cute dress she wears at Dinah's graduation.) But Long comes back, and suddenly she's running between dates in a huge formal gown only slightly less noisy than Grand Central Station, and the gown she wears before bedding Alan has a huge skirt with a stiff looking jacket. The lack of nuance is what I hate about both Block and Howarth. Block couldn't even muster an emotion when his on-screen son died.

With no disrespect to KZ, yeah....and as best I can figure out, she's upset because Josh has a (presumed at this point) dead wife, and he gave her grief over Marah's paternity. I'm sure there's more to it, and Josh could be a pompous a-hole, but she was flippin' intent on marrying Kyle six months after Josh left town. I do think that Long too often used Reva's poor upbringing as an excuse for her selfish behavior. It's too bad more of the Ross/Vanessa/Alan story preceeding this isn't in English. Ross and Alan had a long history of animosity, and I always thought Jerry and Chris played off each other well. And don't get me started on casting Vanessa as some malleable also-ran to Reva. Not that any attraction between Vanessa and Alan makes sense, as Vanessa knew Alan was a snake from the minute she vamped into town. I loathe and despise Hunt Block's characters. I remember being disgusted at the Blake/Ben affair and then they fired him---and ATWT snatched him up to play Craig Montgomery. I lobster hated him in that role. Not only did they destroy Craig (by rewriting him into reverting into his previous a-hole behavior), but they insisted on making him the also-ran between Carly and Jack for nearly all of his five year run. SMH.

I agree-- (Ben Reade or Ben Warren?) I thought Gary really could've been a good antagonist, if developed,. What happened to Gary anyway? Part of the problem with no long term vision is there's no one to build the "next Roger Thorpe". Not that anyone really could've, but you need newer "gray" characters too. Side note: reason to watch "big" shows you don't think you're interested in...the same episode where Reva tells Alan this tragic story of being hungry when she's a child, is essentially the end of Ross and Vanessa. For some reason Vanessa is acting like a ditzy rom com heroine, trying to have dinner with Ross and a business meeting with Alan in two different rooms of the country club. Ross blows up and gives Van an ultimatum---him or working with Alan. Van doesn't want to give up her job, certain she can handle Alan. Ross walks out.

Rest assured, I'm not crazy. Harley in '89 lol...I found it! I thought maybe it was the dress that Harley was dancing in that was a part of the Hold on To Love opening (it's not). Harley wore when she and Dylan went to dinner with Vanessa and Billy. Billy roped Vanessa into having a small family dinner (before Billy knew Dylan was his son) to show Dylan the finer side of things, and Harley invited herself. Bill tricks Dylan into ordering snails, and Ross watches as Billy and Vanessa drift closer.

OMG...someone tell me I'm not crazy and this is Vanessa wearing a Harley dress in 1987. If I still had my playlist (screw you youtube...) I could find it real easy.

No, Hamp didn't, that I can recall. It's too bad, I really liked Hamp. I'm surprised they never recast Kat or tried to give Hamp more story. I don't think they did. I can't even recall if they said Hamp left town, tbh. Ugh. 7/1/87 seems to be the infamous Lacey Bauer's debut. Anderson/Manetta are still HW

Um....that beard is all kinds of wrong.

that's probably the technical name. lol. I think of it as a wheel or flower.

First click on the CC icon to get the closed captioning. Then left click on the "wheel" icon next to it. That will bring up the box below. Then click on "subtitles" and another box opens up, pick auto translate and then scroll down to English. Voila!

The German translation is at times....bad. Get used to "Sporting" for Spaulding, and "cheap" when Billy's mentioned. (I looked it up billig is German for "cheap".) But I got to admit, liebling for darling and klein Billy for Little Billy have worked their way into my brain. It'll at least give you an idea of what's going on. I'm not sure Kim would've liked Marland either. But I think, had he had the chance, he would've written something better for Kim than Amish Reva or the Clone.

Oh, I think he would've reignited Van and Nola's feuding, and reluctant bond over Henry. Maybe he would've created a better rival for Josh for Reva's affections, ala Damian/Lily/Holden.

But I did bring up the subject. Honestly, you need an interactive dance card to keep track of the writers at certain points. And Broderick's situation is only slightly less weird that whoever was fired, and then asked back when they couldn't give the HW position away. (Was that Taggert?) I was scoping out the ATWT thread and there seemed to be a question of what might've happened if Marland had lived past '93. Someone said he might've been part of the shuffling that went on between P&G shows later. It started me wondering what might've been if he'd agreed to go back to GL in the mid-90's. I mean, as much as he wrote for the over the top Lucinda, I can't see him writing for Reva.