P.J.

Well, it's unfair to judge anything by the Martin Chedwyn era. Or Mike Kasnoff (I think this is just after Carly's miscarriage, so I'm guessing he's "depressed" as well as a lousy housekeeper)

Yeah, I only saw tv ads this weekend...and one of those was on NatGEO wild...not a channel I would think of for cross promotion. Sad...but in a world with Honey BooBoo and that mean dance teacher, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. At least I'm free.

Personally, I'm going to be interested to see the return numbers. I thought the numbers went up after OWN started airing AMC and OLTL. I wouldn't be surprised to see the numbers go down. I haven't seen one commercial for the return on the channels I watch.

That's Christmas 2000. Poor Anne Sward, hauled out for Hunt, Terri and Todd Rotondi. An Unholy Trinity if there ever was one. Re: really old stuff---what I heard was that sometimes episodes that were used in flashbacks survived. What's that eppy from...the mid-60's maybe?

LOL....Evil Carly!!!! You can't tell exactly what's going on storywise---but I know she and Mike bang on NYE and she gets knocked up with Nora. That ending little montage and Bob reading 'Twas the Night Before Christmas---that is ATWT to me. Oh, and WTH? Strawberry blonde KIM?

I don't especially like the new chick. I'm kind of annoyed by the way she's been made to be supercalifragilisiticexpealadously smart---to the point it's almost like she's solving the case-of-the-week by herself by observing some insignificant clue ala The Mentalist and Bingo! I don't hate her---I just wish we'd had a little more focus on the team before bringing another agent in. I did love seeing Ben Vereen as Jackie's estranged father. Cote's departure doesn't really seem to have affected the show one way or the other---in spite of all sorts of dire predictions. It's actually kind of refreshing not to deal with Ziva's continual angst. At least for me.

I miss Christmas in Oakdale.

I don't think he had contempt---I just don't think he ever quite understood or appreciated what made ATWT unique from the ABC soaps. I think it drove him to make bad decisions, from hiring ABC alumni to "modernizations" that ultimately hurt the show deeply.

I don't know...I know Denise bothered a lot of people for selling her baby. And I know I never bought her romance with Ben. I do think it's too bad Kim never got to spend any time with her ONE biological grandchild. Sometimes I don't really think it's Sheffer's fault. He needed a strong co-writer. One who literally understood why you can't and/or shouldn't repeat plots (like that stupid island Lily&Simon and Katie were stuck on) or write entire stories that take place "out" of town, and literally strand a group of characters by themselves for the duration. Knew how to develop characters instead of relying on stunt casting to facilitate a change in character. I think he was in over his head from day one, he just had a strong enough staff to write his ass out of it. Once he bought into his own press, he was toast.

ahhhh....memories. Thanks!

*sigh* Thanks for finding that. It's such a fun read. 'Tho it leaves me a little depressed since my show is gone...

LOL...the outtake reel was funny. So good to see Ben H again.

Rita Lloyd is criminally forgotten. Her time as Lucille Wexler scared the living crap out of me. I'm sorry---I love that opening. LURVE. IT. Yeah, Holden's a douche---but that clip actually makes me appreciate grown up PapaToAllOfOakdale Holden. At least until the !@#$%^&*] went after Carly.

caught sight of Jean Carol (Nadine GL) on HIMYM tonight. She has no lines, but she looks good. She's in the part about Robin at the cake shop. Right before James VanderBeek appears (an ex-ATWTer himself)

So, was that the woman who Barbara gave Paul to? Cool.

Wait a minute---that is a quote from Sam Hall. Rereading it, I could see where that's maybe an explanation from his book about soaps in general. And in a quantitative way, I get what he's saying, especially back then when soaps moved at a snail's pace. But just because a scene isn't pivotal, doesn't mean it's unimportant.

Yeah, I don't think those comments had anything to do with ageism. I think it speaks to the difference in eras---today there is a clearer definition of an character's individual look. Yes, today a 50 yr old lawyer would still be running around occasionally in man panties, and I definitely think there was more reliance on acting presence rather than appearance...but let's not kid ourselves---it's the way we view them that's changed. Not the fact they were more attractive than the person off the street. Then, as now, pretty was the rule, not the exception.

I do think ATWT was the last soap to modernize their look. You could tell they were moving in that direction with characters like Barbara, Margo and JD's Tom...but there's still a stuffy, conservative vibe in their look well into the mid-80's and some would say well after that. I'm sure some of it was about the fact they'd ruled the roost with their "look" for 20 years, much the same way Y&R has been stuck on their "signature look" forever now. I've always found the ABC shows over-the-top in their acting and character manner.

I don't know how often Roger checks into this post. But something has to have been worked out with P&G (or whoever has the rights to the show), since he would not be posting them otherwise.

That is such a story point, and so true to Lucinda's character---I think it had to come from Marland. I'd really like to know if Marland would have ever hooked up Josh and Meg if not for the writer's strike and Jennifer Ashe apparently wanting to leave though.

Kim and Lisa disowned Babs? I don't recall it---but I'd argue they stood by her long after she deserved their support, especially after she had Carly, Em and Rose kidnapped. That BS that she wasn't responsible chapped my hide. She knew what she asked of James and she reveled in it when they were gone. The fact she then spent weeks in Parker's company literally had me seething in anger. I don't remember Carly blowing Molly off either---but C&M rarely were involved in each other's stories. They just mainly "caught up" on plot-point days. Even when Molly was with Jake---she started acting like Carly was beneath her somehow---like Molly suddenly didn't remember she'd been a LOT more screwed up than Carly ever was. At the bachelorette party Carly threw for her, all the guests (Kim, Lisa, and I forget who else) were markedly snotty to Carly (after Babs' burns) knowing that Carly had been the target of Julia's bomb and nearly killed by Julia herself in the mud pit, and Molly says nothing to them. NOTHING. So if Carly wanted to bond with her sister....too bad. LOL. Not that I don't think that should have happened...but that's a whole other story.

Well, at one point, they did make a point of saying Kim (and Lisa and Bob) had tried off-screen to visit her after the explosion, and she wouldn't let them in to see her. Some of it was about the budget. But I would submit that a caring EP or HW could have made sure relationships were referenced in a timely way, instead of backwriting it six months down the road when you decide to deal with it. And Lisa was still used in that way---as with Bonnie and Casey. But too often Lisa just became a plot point and snarked about Carly, Emily or whoever was in the storyline of the day.

They initially weren't. In Carly's first run, Lisa had taken her under her wing, and Carly's exit was Lisa investing in Carly's Get Real line and going to Hong Kong. Then after Carly returned, Carly lived with her, Carly told Lisa about the $50 million dollar trust and LISA not only understood, but advised Carly to pursue it, knowing she was chasing Hal and not in love with him. The change was really cemented when Carly married John to secure the $50 million, which never made any sense. I think a lot of it was due to Goutman assuming control---friendships in general really took a hit under him. But I also think Goutman saw Carly as a woman who really wouldn't have a lot of friends, period, and never wanted to show her having a support system. (Even Molly's support came and went with the wind.) Carly wouldn't have had to keep doing as many "desperate" things as she did if she wasn't constantly one step from poverty and/or disaster. Ugh...the way the entire TOWN treated Carly after Jack brought his fake wife/dumb whore to Oakdale still makes my blood boil. It's the ONLY time in her history she did NOTHING wrong, and they ALL took this unknown woman's side and acted like Carly should just suck it up and let Jack "Jackson" move on with his life.

I've never seen a color picture of her for that episode, so thanks!

um...that's not from the ATWT eppy where they parodied the Munsters? 'cause it looks like Fairwinds behind her.