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BTG: March 2026 Discussion Thread

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1 hour ago, skiman12082004 said:

I feel BTG is more of a character driven show with a sprinkle of plot.

I know you had much more to say and explain in your post, but if that is a good analysis of BTG, I don't think it's sustainable long-term.

You do say we've ad a lot of revelations in 13 months, but I'd say most of those came in the first few months. We get character and some plot towards something, but then we're left hanging. The show leaves that story for weeks and months at a time.

Then we see new characters added before other plotlines are fully developed or resolved. We also get plot build-up -- highly anticipated events like WinterFest -- that pretty much goes nowhere. Some people thought WinterFest was fine and made excuses for it (such as the show not knowing if it would be renewed), but I was really disappointed with what we got. I'm worried that will happen again with the Cotillion.

We got build-up with the free clinic, and then never saw it. We got a celebration at Uptown. We get build-up about Leslie's shouse, but I'm unsure we'll ever see it. They're painting the exterior and landscape as so ridiculous that they'll never find an establishing shot to represent it unless they use AI. They're trying to build-up the plasma storyline to amp the danger, but that's not working.

So yeah, I love strongly written characters, but I also want more than a sprinkle of plot. I want story and I want movement and resolution.

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1 hour ago, skiman12082004 said:

I feel BTG is more of a character driven show with a sprinkle of plot.

Which is not a bad thing considering Y&R has been #1 since the 80's

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So much of last year was spent on character development and while character development is important so is moving story along. MVJ clearly wants this not to be like the other soaps on the air, but that caution is slowing things down too much. Beyond The Gates gives very much 60-70s soap at times.

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Just finished Friday's episode and one thing that confuses me about Leslie's shouse remodel is how tacky and garrish it all sounds. This is a gated community we are talking about. Surely there are stricter rules around construction and the appearance of homes. How did she even get any of it approved?

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7 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

So much of last year was spent on character development and while character development is important so is moving story along. MVJ clearly wants this not to be like the other soaps on the air, but that caution is slowing things down too much. Beyond The Gates gives very much 60-70s soap at times.

I can respect that, but it is no longer the 60s or 70s. Viewers are more conditioned to watching TV, we know what to expect and can "read the room" more quickly. It is part of the reason that scenes in film and TV have also shortened and well attention span plays a role as well. I feel like pacing is a big issue as was mentioned above and some stories are played out in a way that by the time they peak, I don't care as much or at all anymore.

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2 hours ago, skiman12082004 said:

What I do find odd however, is that there are only 19 contract players and 30+ non-contract players. Is that because of the budget? Is it cheaper to have a heavily recurring cast as opposed to having to meet contract guarantees? I do respect that the show is committed to the contract cast they chose with only two changes (recasting Ted and making Ben Gavin non-contract), I feel that at some point they should focus on the characters that are working and put those actors on contract (Shanice/Joey/Izaih/Grayson/Kial/Tyrell/Samantha/Donnell/Deanna and I want Derek back on contract). I understand the show is literally still a work in progress and they are doing a lot right but I would focus on the contract players and limit the addition of new characters for awhile. That would be my only real suggestion to improve things at this point.

I think it depends on the show, but I think recurring means you pay the performer for when they actually appear in the show vs contract where you have to pay them a guaranteed amount even if they don't appear. Since Ben Gavin was not appearing consistently (and I think someone mentioned he was doing a movie for awhile), it made sense to put him on recurring (I know Tracy Bregman opted to go recurring because she couldn't get time off to do things with her children.. and Mr Gavin is a new dad so maybe this arrangement allows him time to do a few indie projects and spend time with his baby).

In regards to you would have be on contract.. I would rather have Donnell and Deanna on full time/on contract... and 86 the Tyyrell/Samantha characters. In fact, I would have rather D & D have been on during this whole time grappling with Doug/Vanessa/Joey.. so that when Doug passed.. we would have at least seen Doug and his relationship with D & D.

And for me, I like the character driven stuff... but you gotta have plot movement at the same time.. and have the climaxes be staggered. I was looking up the last twenty to thirty episodes of Guza's stint.. and i was surprised at how much happened during that timeframe (Doug's death, Eva/Tomas hooked up, the start of Tomas and Hayley's conflict, and Hayley's reveal of not being the doting wife).

Since episode 151, we've only seen the Derek/Ashley/Andre situation have movement and resolution with Derek being discovered faking, Ashley dumping Derek, and Andre telling Ashley the ship has sailed. And the Anita story really didn't kick off the the higher 190s.

In this day and age, you gotta have some action to go along with the character driven moments.

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23 minutes ago, GLATWT88 said:

I can respect that, but it is no longer the 60s or 70s. Viewers are more conditioned to watching TV, we know what to expect and can "read the room" more quickly. It is part of the reason that scenes in film and TV have also shortened and well attention span plays a role as well. I feel like pacing is a big issue as was mentioned above and some stories are played out in a way that by the time they peak, I don't care as much or at all anymore.

I agree that times are different. Aspects of the traditional soap work, but not in whole and need to be applied sparingly.

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41 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

So much of last year was spent on character development and while character development is important so is moving story along. MVJ clearly wants this not to be like the other soaps on the air, but that caution is slowing things down too much. Beyond The Gates gives very much 60-70s soap at times.

Had it been a 60s-70s soap.. .then the show wouldn't have killed the Eva/Kat/Tomas triangle.. which had good development and all the elements of a great soap opera triangle of yesteryear.. and it gets killed just as it starts to get good.

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