5 hours ago, Vee said:

Was Andrea not popular here? I thought she was a success and frankly thought that was part of why OLTL went after her to revamp Tina back then. Or was it the story that was famous vs. her Patty?

I think the stories were successful, which probably helped Rauch want her back a year or so later, but I don't know how popular Andrea herself was in the part. She was very different from her predecessor, who was well-liked by fans and by Bell. From some of his script notes, he didn't seem to be much of a fan of Andrea's work in the part, IIRC. 

to peeps wondering "why?!??" another soap is giving him a paycheck: see this thread. I know y'all are mad about it, but a lot of mad people is better than no people at all. lol 

25 minutes ago, dio said:

to peeps wondering "why?!??" another soap is giving him a paycheck: see this thread. I know y'all are mad about it, but a lot of mad people is better than no people at all. lol 

I don't know if 5 pages on a board that isn't exactly driving industry focus is enough to warrant another 50-something hiring on a show where the median age must be 200, and on top of that, someone whose career prime was in 1995.

It's not that Roger isn't talented or charismatic. He is. And he's aged very well. I just think these choices exemplify the failures of modern Y&R.

Edited August 31Aug 31 by DRW50

8 hours ago, DRW50 said:

From some of his script notes, he didn't seem to be much of a fan of Andrea's work in the part, IIRC. 

Where can I see his script notes? :0

19 hours ago, Vee said:

ATWT. Several of us have referenced it here, yeah.

They even hired Stuart Damon IIRC.

21 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

They even hired Stuart Damon IIRC.

They did, he was a mobster threatening Lynn Herring, IIRC. Then Grayson McCouch's Dusty showed off his kickboxing class moves fighting Billy Warlock's thugs at a dumpster outside the studio while one track from the Inception score played on loop. It was all so bad.

8 hours ago, titan1978 said:

They even hired Stuart Damon IIRC.

On 8/30/2025 at 6:54 PM, Vee said:

ATWT. Several of us have referenced it here, yeah.

Thanks. I've seen clips but couldn't remember which of the CBS soaps it was. 

Having half the GH vets plus Cady McClain, Roger Howarth, Mary Beth Evans, and Julie Pinson all on roughly at the same time and in stories together is crazy work lol.

I think Passions is another one that ended up with a bunch of old ABC vets hogging up space too.

45 minutes ago, AdelaideCate007 said:

Thanks. I've seen clips but couldn't remember which of the CBS soaps it was. 

Having half the GH vets plus Cady McClain, Roger Howarth, Mary Beth Evans, and Julie Pinson all on roughly at the same time and in stories together is crazy work lol.

I think Passions is another one that ended up with a bunch of old ABC vets hogging up space too.

In the early 2000s, the Sheffer-era ATWT branding exercise of taking hot soap stars and recasting them in older, mostly off-canvas ATWT roles worked out fairly well in the beginning IMO. Others will disagree and it was definitely controversial from the jump but I thought Hunt Block's Craig, MBE's Sierra and particularly Cady as Rosanna (the polar opposite of Dixie Martin) worked out well, even if Block's Craig in particular was a much colder, darker version than Scott Bryce. I appreciate SB much, much more today and think he's superior and far more versatile (especially as when he did come back later he played a more villainous Craig again very well), but I could see the deepest root of his original in the recast. As for Grayson McCouch, well, he was very hot at the time; his Dusty was totally different from the original, almost unrecognizable, but he at least had heat with Martha Byrne.

The worm turned (at least IMO) with Roger Howarth. By his own recent account on a media podcast he was near the end of his emotional or perhaps psychological rope playing Todd at OLTL in '03 (possibly because of the  "Rashomon"-style 'was it rape?' story Michael Malone later did with Trevor St. John's Todd and Blair at the end of the year), and an acquaintance told him to get in touch with ATWT. He did and quickly took the out to go play anything other than a serial rapist, namely Paul Ryan. The problem is they already had a very good Paul (Scott Holroyd), the viewers were outraged, and when they brought Roger on it was to do really embarrassing, reheated Todd stuff that was identical to what he had just been playing a month or two before on OLTL - haunted by his father, talking to ghosts and visions, lurking around in the dark, angry at women who lied to him (even though RH did have chemistry with both Martha and Cady McClain), making bad jokes. As someone very familiar with OLTL who tuned in to see how it went, I was appalled. I was like 'is this plagiarism? Can ABC sue?' It was that close.

It was nothing like Paul Ryan, it was just Todd or Roger sending it up in unfunny or OOC ways, and it was so bad. And I don't think ATWT was ever the same after that big recast flopped. The veil fell from the show's big gamble on these recasts, and everything else fell apart with it. By the time you got to Julie Pinson's character eating the show it already had gone south.

Edited September 1Sep 1 by Vee

Howarth is playing Mitch Bacall, Sienna Bacall's (Tamara Braun) husband.

Mitch and Sienna Bacall are horrible soap names.

Bacall is a weird last name too. It’s similar to ‘Tucker Macall’ except that name actually sounds better to me than this. 

I like 'Sienna Bacall'' as a name. Sienna is under-used and Bacall reminds me of Lauren Bacall. Old Hollywood.

 

That promo is so bad, it's low-key hilarious. Even Roger and Tamara look like they're struggling to keep a straight face. 

1 hour ago, prefab1 said:

That promo is so bad, it's low-key hilarious. Even Roger and Tamara look like they're struggling to keep a straight face. 

CBS no longer produces promos for B&B/Y&R, so it was an in-house type thing.