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1 hour ago, Taoboi said:

After it premiered...yes. But it has not been confirmed if it has reached the episodes that were filmed after they saw the feedback from the audience and started any form of course correcting. Kinda like DAYS and its filming and waiting for them to get to the part of episodes where you know they heard the issues with the stories and course corrected. 

 

Unless you are confirming with this statement that the show has confirmed. Then I can see why people having issues would have them now versus before now. 

Just adding that Beyond the Gates is currently 6-7 months ahead in terms of scripts, which is about 2-3 months ahead of taping. Therefore, feedback won't be reflected on-screen until September at the earliest.

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taoboi I was looking for clarification with the time line so thank you. Errol also thank you I was hoping by mid September unless there are more postponed episodes that would be the case.

i don’t care for any housewives series though if they do a competition show I may know who they are. 
 

One of my biggest issues with the show is why is this happening and when will there be payoff? 
 

for example were Dani and Nicole old enough when the Articulletes (sp) were performing to know the other living members? did Anita go solo when the girls were kids? did she retire from singing to raise them? In one episode that seemed to be implied. but then why was the song Anita sang with  Naomi and Dani sound like something out of the late 80s or early 90s instead of late 60s or 70s based on the age of the adult grandchildren and being a girl group. I am not assuming they are supposed to be in the time frame of En Vogue but earlier.
 

At this point I fear this story is just an easy way to write Anita out if Tamara needs time off and provided her with a Daytime Emmy reel. I know I should not feel this way, but since it hasn’t rippled out to other people outside of Vernon…and there is no indication beyond one photo of Tamara in a cap with the group’s name that it will continue as the others aren’t regulars and the cast is already so large. 
 

For me it would be an easy fix, just tell us this is continuing later this year…I have been burned too many times with dropped plots in other series so I need reassurance. Why invest in the other singers in the group if they won’t get much attention? I mean something like we find out that one of the charities the Duprees support is suicide awareness and now we now why would also be something I would like to see.

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6 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

I don' think this is 100% true - For example, I can watch multiple GL episodes from the 70's (the stuff written by the Dobson's at least) and feel some sort of stakes at various degrees with multiple stories running together. I do not get a similar feeling with BTG. 

BTG, by contrast, feel very muted. You can argue its faster paced than other soaps, but the payoff for a lot of key scenes and storylines feels rather lackluster. It feels very aimless at times. There is no fire to most of these stories that makes me feel like I need to watch every episode. 

As I said before, I want this show to succeed, but almost 6 months in, I do need them to analyze some things and pivot in new directions. 

Agreed. BTG is very character driven show but since the Ted affair was revealed the show's plotting has slowed down tremendously. I find myself going to GH for the latest on Drew & Willow at 2:00 instead. BTG has good characters and the energy, we just need some good dramatic plots to keep up the intrigue. 

5 hours ago, ~bl~ said:

I like the show, but it is missing something not sure what exactly maybe the follow through. There are moments but then it just stops. And it feels like feedback that isn’t positive is just ignored. The episodes airing now were after it premiered but instead of moving pieces we get the same as before.

Did they say how much time Bill was in the hospital? Was there a time jump? Why is Nicole finally being upset and overreacting and everyone is acting like she shouldn’t be reacting?

I think the issue is plotting. BTG's plots are certainly more focused than GH's. It just needs clear progression points and interesting mini complications to fuel filler episodes. Y&R was really good at this in the 90s. 

5 hours ago, Maxim said:

BTG to me feels very modern, at times even reality TV-like. That's my personal opinion. Some scenes are "Housewives Franchise" material. You almost expect Kenya Moore to walk in and reveal how someone got pregnant by someone else a decade ago and she has the receipts to prove it. I personally see no strong resemblance to the 1970s soaps I've watched on YouTube and other platforms. Maybe I'm just looking at different nuances. 

I also have a different take on the believability of things. A lot of stuff on this show is not realistic. And that's something I can live with. Soaps have seized to be realistic long time ago and some may argue that they never were. For example, we have a male gay couple acting like a basic straight couple. Both guys look to be in their early thirties... but have incredibly old children. How strange does this sound? Old children. But yeah, Samantha looks like she is the same age as Smitty. It doesn't help that they dress her and style her hair like she is this young infantile girl who asks her father "what's gay sex like?" More on the believability of the two hot guys in a relationship - me and my husband are also two married dudes and we don't act like this. We also know many, I mean maaaany other gay couples like us from all walks of life... and... none resemble the strange almost heteronormative relationship we see in this show. I don't mean this as a dig, I know and appreciate what the show is trying to do. It's giving us some kind of representation. I'm grateful for that. And the unnatural vibe is not on purpose, I don't think so. I don't know what the cure to it is... maybe they need to loosen up in the dialogue and evolve the physicality into something more believable in the future. Of course, I always leave the possibility that maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there are guys like this. 

There are a lot of things that I like about BTG, don't get me wrong. I like the cast, I like the atmosphere and the overall themes - love and betrayal, secrets and scandals, family and foes. I like the sensitive feminine style of storytelling, especially in the first couple of weeks... and I adore most of the ladies in the show - give me a scene with Anita or Nicole... And I'm a happy fella.

I have issues with the overall quality of dialogue and the lack of consistency episode to episode. Too much empty culminations and a lot of filler between them. I have issues with the editing, lack of coherent background music, especially when bad actors are on screen and lack of proper cliffhangers. I can stomach one or two character-caricatures... but I have an issue with one very empty character that sucks airtime, named Saint Ashley.

But, overall... when comparing it to the piece of sh-t that is Bold... for example... BTG is million times better. And I'll continue watching. In the end of the day... It's just entertainment. I can't expect it to save the world or fix global warming. I'm fine with it. I don't even feel like criticizing that much anymore because I'm starting to get the show will be more superficial than I expected and I'm okay with it. It's still very enjoyable and the potential to grow is as strong as ever. 

 

Beyond the Gates is down to earth by today's soap standards compared to the larger than life plots on DAYS and GH. No mobsters, explosions, spy agencies, possessions or super villains. Just cheating, music groups, a secret love child and relationships. By the 90s onwards, Y&R and to lesser extent B&B and AMC have had their fair share of over the top plots but they were generally more grounded than OLTL, ATWT, DAYS, GH or GL.

Yes the aging is very off. For example it's hard to believe Martin is Ted and Nicole's child when he looks to be in is late 30s and his parents look like their late 40s early 40s. Moreover there's ALOT of Dupree family members. 

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I frankly think there is such a focus on the show being 'down to earth' and slowly setting up its stakes, while also following the tried and true modern version of the Bell formula MVJ likely learned at B&B (a lot of grand pronouncements, and stating and restating dynamics and issues - I'm not saying classic Y&R was always like modern B&B, but there is a specific tone you get on those shows that isn't replicated on ABC or ATWT/GL), that a lot more overt and dramatic developments have yet to flourish. Which can be tiresome.

It's good that they made Eva pop so quickly, but the show is still finding its way. And I think part of the issue is they seem so dedicated to following the playbook MVJ learned from her years of guaranteed longevity at CBS while building out the family history, when I don't think more of that is needed. I think more action is needed, and less talk. And I frankly think pulling more of MVJ's compatriots from GH out of retirement would be welcome on the dialogue stuff, even if the Guza/Labine GH school of naturalistic dialogue is not fully in sync with the more portentous B&B/Bell style of plotting and recapping. At the same time, other dialogue is so hyper-modern (a la the Prospect Park soaps) that it's sometimes cringe. But audiences are responding to both.

I know that classical flavor (mixed with the edgier newspeak) works for a doggedly loyal CBS audience, and BTG gets a ton of healthy engagement on social media - from that alone you'd think the show has been on for 5-10 years. But if you made me choose between the Bell house style and bringing back a GH-style dialogue staff and tone, it would be the latter every time.

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What the show is doing is giving most of the characters a rotation on the front burner and that can slow down the pacing a bit. Repercussions have also been set up which is often a neglected device on soaps anymore and that can play a role in building suspense.

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As I said before, I think pacing is the bigger issue right now.

If you look at a Marland and/or Pam Long era episode of ATWT and GL in the 80s, you saw multiple stories going on and progressing at different speeds.  While at BTG, you have some plots and characters not shown for episodes so that any momentum/interest is muted by the time they do appear again.  

In regards to the Ted story, I think part of the issue was the changing of the actor that played Ted at a crucial moment of the story.  So not only are we seeing the fall out from the secret being exposed and how the relationships are progressing post secret reveal.. but we're getting to know a new actor playing one of the main characters in the arc.  We're seeing the actor finding his way in playing Ted, in playing scenes opposite Eva/Kat/Nicole/Martin/Silk Press Sheila.   

While this is going on.. momentum has slowed down because of this adjustment.. and since the show writes their scripts two to three months ahead of what's been filmed.. it could take weeks for the writers to adjust writing Ted to the actor's strengths.  It certainly took a few weeks for the wardrobe department to adjust the wardrobe for the new actor.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Errol said:

Just adding that Beyond the Gates is currently 6-7 months ahead in terms of scripts, which is about 2-3 months ahead of taping. Therefore, feedback won't be reflected on-screen until September at the earliest.

Thank you. I have asked (and discussed with @Chris B) this once every few weeks to keep the fact in rotation until something more confirmed has been said so we all can be sure that when we hit the area when feedback should be reflected on screen, it IS a case of the writers ignoring what is being said by the audience vs we have not gotten to the episodes and therefore the audience is not being ignored at all. Chris also, if I'm not mistaken, also placed it around that time roughly. 

2 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

It certainly took a few weeks for the wardrobe department to adjust the wardrobe for the new actor.

Ain't that the truth! I was happy to see that that is not the only time that I had happened with recasts on a soap either. 

 

2 hours ago, ReddFoxx said:

What the show is doing is giving most of the characters a rotation on the front burner and that can slow down the pacing a bit. Repercussions have also been set up which is often a neglected device on soaps anymore and that can play a role in building suspense.

THIS.

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7 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

for the wardrobe department to adjust the wardrobe for the new actor.

Yeah I thought it odd that it took so long for the Ted wardrobe to be fitted in sizing/tailoring for Keith D. Robinson. It made me wonder if the recasting was abrupt?  But then again, there is speculation that it was planned all along that he'd get the role when he was available? Nobody knows although there are many theories.

Regardless of how long in advance (or not) they knew about the recasting, maybe they felt it to be tacky for him to come in for fittings while Maurice Johnson was still taping, so they opted to be respectful and wait?  But that's just more speculation, LOL

Don't know what happened there.  But the show is so intentional with most of the wardrobe that I can't believe they were careless with Keith.  So there must have been a valid reason to omit doing fittings in advance of him taping.  He's looking good *now*, so I'm happy.

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I do wish the show would lean more 90s Guza GH than Bell B&B.

There also traces of early Santa Barbara, with the lack of urgency and payoffs. BTG is in better shape than Santa Barbara was after 4 months. On SB, nothing was working and the network was already forcing creative changes. It seems CBS is more supportive and is leaving the creative stuff alone. But the risk of boredom is real; BTG needs more oomph and craziness. 

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9 hours ago, Taoboi said:

Thank you. I have asked (and discussed with @Chris B) this once every few weeks to keep the fact in rotation until something more confirmed has been said so we all can be sure that when we hit the area when feedback should be reflected on screen, it IS a case of the writers ignoring what is being said by the audience vs we have not gotten to the episodes and therefore the audience is not being ignored at all. Chris also, if I'm not mistaken, also placed it around that time roughly. 

Yes, I feel like September is the likely point we can see any revisions. I'm excited to see where they take the show in the fall. They keep things so quiet on set (which I love) so we really have no idea what they've done. I'm very curious if there will be any cast additions. One I'm hopeful for is Dr. Carlton in a regular capacity.

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As I said before, I think pacing is the bigger issue right now.

If you look at a Marland and/or Pam Long era episode of ATWT and GL in the 80s, you saw multiple stories going on and progressing at different speeds.  While at BTG, you have some plots and characters not shown for episodes so that any momentum/interest is muted by the time they do appear again.  

That's something MVJ learned working at B&B, cause Brad Bell does the same thing, we'll get something for certain characters, then all of a sudden they vanish for weeks to focus on something else, then they come back to it. It's jarring to say the least

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Some tinkering wouldn't hurt, but for a new show the initial wrinkles have not been overwhelming. The start was the Dani show, then it transitioned into being more about Leslie and Eva plotting then when that revelation dropped the direction shifted towards slowly processing that fallout.

Now we are seeing other plots step up as I we should be getting Martin's revelation very soon which will entangle with the other Richardson drama which may possibly include paternity shakeups later on. There is also the potential stalker story for Chelsea (Allison is giving creepy vibes, IMO) and Hayley/Leslie appearing to team up.

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1 hour ago, ReddFoxx said:

Some tinkering wouldn't hurt, but for a new show the initial wrinkles have not been overwhelming.

I agree. I feel like the changes they need to make are more positive than anything. For example, audience has responded to Shanice so I think it would be smart to start fleshing her out and making her a more regular character. Same for Doug and Dr. Carlton.

The only real negative I'd like them to address is to find a way to justify keeping Ashley and Derek around. We know the show loves them but the viewers do not so they really need to find something that makes those characters work if we're stuck with them.

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