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16 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

-- The Derek and Ashley stuff is awful, and she's as much to blame as he is. There's no way he'd be permitted to go back to work so soon, and I think Ashley should share her Andre thoughts with a best friend, not her mother.

to be fair, her best friend is Naomi, his cousin so I can see why she wouldnt wnt to get her involved

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The show has been trying to build up chemistry for Andre and Ashley from the start but I'm just not feeling it. It feels like a C or D plot that was crafted after the other stories were crafted. 

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Haven’t watched today’s episode yet but was watching one of my favorite Tyler Perry shows today, Zatima, and there was the actor who plays Martin popping up much to surprise. He actually sounded more natural.

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7 hours ago, Chris B said:

This might sound strange considering how nice some of home sets are but by far Leslie's apartment is my favorite. They did such a good job of showing a contrast between a regular apartment and the wealth we see from the other characters. Even the decor is perfection (not to mention the wardrobe for Leslie and Eva. You can tell a lot of thought went into giving them a proper set to show their place in life which helps the story and showing what Leslie feels she missed out on and deserves. They did it in a way that looks natural and not a cheesy, trashy view of what someone working class lives like. 

Small touches like that and the specific costume design for each character are part of why BTG is must see tv for me.

💗💗 The set design is really great. 

3 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

Haven’t watched today’s episode yet but was watching one of my favorite Tyler Perry shows today, Zatima, and there was the actor who plays Martin popping up much to surprise. He actually sounded more natural.

I saw him in an episode too. I agree, he was much more natural. Also, something to consider he was romantic with a woman. 

1 hour ago, Contessa Donatella said:

This is exactly what I'm thinking! Does Nicole have a dirty secret?

I just bet this is coming!

Nicole as the Black Marlena, that is clever & delightful. Also totally apt. It fits.

She has to have a secret. I have no clue what it could be though. Maybe we'll learn once Martin's secret comes out.

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4 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I know that a wait and see attitude is in order for Ron C and Jamey... but breakdown writers make sure that the head writer and their vision is laid out effectively.  MVJ/Guza might have a good idea, but if the person implementing the idea is subpar then it doesn't matter how the good idea was....

But that's presuming MVJ and/or Guza can't just whip out their red pens, draw an "X" over the [!@#$%^&*] that doesn't work and either force Ron and/or Jamey to try again or rewrite it themselves - something which is done all the time in soaps.  (Remember when Patrick Mulcahey said Bridget and Jerome Dobson would draw "X"'s over whole pages of SANTA BARBARA outlines and then tell him to "do something else"?)

No offense to anyone, but in reading these threads, I get the impression that some actually WANT BTG to fail, if only so they can point their fingers and say, "That wouldn't have happened if that dummy Michele Val Jean hadn't have hired Ron Carlivati or Jamey Giddens to write for her show!"

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10 minutes ago, Khan said:

No offense to anyone, but in reading these threads, I get the impression that some actually WANT BTG to fail, if only so they can point their fingers and say, "That wouldn't have happened if that dummy Michele Val Jean hadn't have hired Ron Carlivati or Jamey Giddens to write for her show!"

I am sure some do, or they're unable to actually handle a smart soap.

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If Ashley and Derek were written out suddenly, as well as cheers there would be jeers, with the naysayers claiming that the show is flailing.

It wouldn't be a good look to dump the leading white characters and open themselves to reverse racism claims.

Really they just need to tweak the story and hope the actors improve.

 

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Michele Val Jean is not going let to anyone derail her vision. This is her creation and any writer fortunate to get a show on the air and run it is going to be protective of it. 

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Bill and Hayley have one of the worst sets across all soaps. It’s the size of an apartment when it’s supposed to be a mansion and I don’t get what the set designer was going for except tacky.

Bill seems like such a masculine it’s actually funny that they’ve shown him in two homes now where the main couches are some sort of pink.

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The episodes with Ron C (and Gregori J Martin) credited for writing have been of noticeably poorer quality for me. Pointing that out doesn’t mean automatically not trusting MVJ or wanting the show to fail, its just calling a spade a spade. 

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I was hoping for a big cliffhanger, since we aren't getting episodes until Monday, but I will say today was a solid episode. The lighting was totally on point today and you can sense Phideaux Xavier is getting more comfortable directing at the new studio with the new sets.

Dana is so deliciously calculating wanting revenge. I honestly don't know what to believe regarding her affair with Ted. There have been a few lines from Nicole about a period where they had some tough times. I'm assuming maybe they were on a break or she knows about the affair? Either way I can't wait to see how this unfolds.

I really like Andre and Sean Freeman is doing a great job. I don't dislike Ashley & Derek like so many seem to. It seems to me like Ashley has a crush and Andre has a case of the one that got away with Ashley. I think there is more to Derek other than being the devoted boyfriend and dedicated firefighter. I am willing to see what happens there.

And my girl Dani, I hope she can keep it together. Dani & Bill seem endgame to me and Hayley will just be collateral damage. 

 

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12 hours ago, Chris B said:

Days, particularly under Ron was a campy mess. I didn't see that same type of work from Jamey on Ambitions or Sistas so I'm going to assume that is just doing what fit into that specific show. I'm hopeful Jamey works as well with MVJ here as he did on Ambitions.

 

I was a huge fan of Ambitions. Still sad there was no season 2 after an excellent cliffhanger.

10 hours ago, Cheap21 said:

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Dani: "Ive never drunk that much"

Andre:

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The biggest lie she’s told so far 😂

9 hours ago, Cheap21 said:

Walmart and Big Lots carry the same type of stuff that Target has. my point is that her decor is dated and not stuff you'd see sold in stores in 2025. They would have to be obtained from thrift stores. I dont find her fashion dated so she doesnt seem to me like someone thats stuck with a 1980s mindset. Maybe thats largely Eva bc I hate her fashion and find it dated more so than Leslie

Yeah, maybe I’m just not in that income range or something and neither are my friends or family, because no one I know still has 80-90’s furniture. Even college students have Ikea furniture.

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Is Tomas intended to be stiff? If so, the actor is delivering.

Made me smile to hear a reference from The Wire: "You come at the king, you best not miss." That's a quote from Omar (the late Michael K. Williams). I played his boyfriend for a few episodes. The scenes in the car with Jacob and Marcel gave me The Wire vibes.

 

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2 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Bill and Hayley have one of the worst sets across all soaps. It’s the size of an apartment when it’s supposed to be a mansion and I don’t get what the set designer was going for except tacky.

Bill seems like such a masculine it’s actually funny that they’ve shown him in two homes now where the main couches are some sort of pink.

add to that I hate their dinner on that small table in the corner. I also hated that at Nicole's house. I wish their was a dining room set bc these mansions have a small table for two in the corner in the living room took me out. Like its acceptable for Leslie and Ashley's homes, but not those two

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9 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

-- Today's episode was just ok.... Definitely underwhelming for a Wednesday cliffhanger. 

 

Agreed about yesterday's episode.

And we should always be on high alert with Carlivati writing after the awful campiness of last Friday's episode.

 

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