#RIP - Francisco San Martin, who played roles on B&B and #DAYS, dies at 39: soapoperanews.net/2025/01/19/f... #DaysofourLives #BoldandBeautiful

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15 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

I saw how he died yesterday, but wasn't sure if it was appropriate to mention how he died. Why does LA have a site where they publicize in detail how civilians pass away? It seems unnecessary for it to be so easily accessible. Either way, he seemed so full of life and had a glow up since his time on DAYS. You really never know what something is going through. R.I.P.

I'm pretty sure it is information that is routinely available most, if not all, locations. I believe it falls under the heading of public health. 

I personally have a file in Notes on all of the soap actor suicides I am aware of. But, if it is a question of posting it, some people are interested in the information but others don't want to see it. Mostly it just exists in Notes for that reason. 

Anyway, too danged young, and quite sadl 

Very sad.

@Bright EyesThe government collects epidemiological data to determine the health needs of the citizens.

The ethical issue is whether the press should publish the data, even when they have access.

On the other hand, the leading cause of death for men under 40 are car accidents (40%), followed by suicide (11%).  So, it would be easy to guess the cause based on the probability and the place of death.  It is my belief that we should talk openly about suicide in order to help those in need.  Keeping secrets is never healthy.

Edited January 21Jan 21 by j swift

39 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

I saw how he died yesterday, but wasn't sure if it was appropriate to mention how he died. Why does LA have a site where they publicize in detail how civilians pass away? It seems unnecessary for it to be so easily accessible.

I appreciate that you thought about it, instead of just jumping in thoughtlessly.

In such a manner of death, if one wishes to announce it, I feel it's best to put the crisis hotline info with it.
It used to be customary for news outlets to do that, but many don't bother these days. And when such deaths happen fictionally, there used to be a PSA at the end of the show, etc.

If someone is in crisis, they might not have the wherewithal to look up crisis lines, so that's why I always say to post the crisis line info with the death announcement. Just my thoughts. 
 

In addition to the hotlines I posted on the first page of this thread, here are some more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines

26 minutes ago, j swift said:

@Bright EyesThe government collects epidemiological data to determine the health needs of the citizens.

The ethical issue is whether the press should publish the data, even when they have access.

On the other hand, the leading cause of death for men under 40 are car accidents (40%), followed by suicide (11%).  So, it would be easy to guess the cause based on the probability and the place of death.  It is my belief that we should talk openly about suicide in order to help those in need.  Keeping secrets is never healthy.

But shouldn't that be on the family to publish any details? The site I was on even had his exact time of death. It's just strange that anyone in the world can access this information. Wouldn't suicide even be enough anyway? There's no need for anyone to know what form, that's just ruthlessly macabre. 

1 hour ago, Bright Eyes said:

I saw how he died yesterday, but wasn't sure if it was appropriate to mention how he died. Why does LA have a site where they publicize in detail how civilians pass away? It seems unnecessary for it to be so easily accessible. Either way, he seemed so full of life and had a glow up since his time on DAYS. You really never know what something is going through. R.I.P.

I saw it this morning and made the choice not to mention it either. Mental health conversations don't happen often enough. I was quite upset to read that because I remember the very joyful presence on screen, forgetting how often behind the facade can be so much more going on. I work with middle schoolers and the mental health crisis in this country has exploded since COVID. I hope some will find a way to channel their energy into working on generating conversation on the importance of mental health services. 

 

It's not unusual for the trades to get ahold of this information, however tragic.

I prefer to preserve my ire for attention seekers who, for example, leak the private details of a dying hospice patient to social media before the family's statement and without their permission in order to get more views on Soap Twitter.

Ugh. This breaks my heart. May he RIP. Yet another reminder that mental health is not a joke! 

1 hour ago, YRfan23 said:

Makes it so much sadder….i hate how so many of them struggle like this!  

It’s awful….I had an uncle who committed suicide in an eerily similar fashion that Robin Willimas would later do over 20 years ago. Stuff like this always always triggers that memory all over again. 😢😭

9 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

It’s awful….I had an uncle who committed suicide in an eerily similar fashion that Robin Willimas would later do over 20 years ago. Stuff like this always always triggers that memory all over again. 😢😭

Robin Williams, as we learned, was suffering from a debilitating progressive neurological disease. And, we'll never know how much was the disease manifesting in this way. Still of course, a tragic ending to a remarkable life. Nothing touches the sadness. 

10 hours ago, dc11786 said:

 

I don't know how I would feel revisiting that period today, but I enjoyed it immensely at the time.

Thanks again for the synopsis as I know I enjoyed the that era too, at least from May 2009- at least February 2011 or so when the show gave us Faux Rafe/Arnold (funny he’s back now), the whole Taylor/Fay debacle, and Chloe the hooker with the inexplicable Vivian’s beloved but never mentioned son Quinn. Although Sonny’s introduction was definitely a highlight at the time. 
I recall I was indifferent to Dario mainly because it seemed fruitless at the time especially on the heels of losing Ariana just as she finally became interesting as well as losing the original Gabi. 

MarDar was a fatal blow to me because once EJ and Sami slept together again later on in 2011 I was so repulsed I tuned it out, regardless of Will’s reaction. 

10 hours ago, dc11786 said:

Edited January 21Jan 21 by soapfan770

41 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

It’s awful….I had an uncle who committed suicide in an eerily similar fashion that Robin Willimas would later do over 20 years ago. Stuff like this always always triggers that memory all over again. 😢😭

I had know idea and I'm so sorry to hear that happen to you and your family my friend! 😰😥 I can't imagine having to deal with anything so devastating. 

Sigh....I just don't know what else to think, other then it's a shame not more is ever done to ensure nothing like this happens, but most of the time, it's out of our hands it seems... 😕 

5 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

I had know idea and I'm so sorry to hear that happen to you and your family my friend! 😰😥 I can't imagine having to deal with anything so devastating. 

Sigh....I just don't know what else to think, other then it's a shame not more is ever done to ensure nothing like this happens, but most of the time, it's out of our hands it seems... 😕 

Thank you! Even though next month will be the 23rd anniversary of that occurring, it still stings when I see something like this occur.

Unfortunately it’s still a massive taboo. Seems for almost everyone I know who passed in their 30’s, bearing car accidents and at least one victim of COVID, I always seem to discover that suicide or drug use was involved which is unfortunate.

The recent daytime Star losses of Anne Heche, Tyler Christopher and Bill Miller compound this of stars in trouble and not getting adequate help. 

RIP - his stint on B&B was truly memorable because the plot was first and foremost hilarious. Quinn's line that "Mateo, uh, you are a godsend!" plus the Brenda Dickson style pronounciation of "mahsahhhhhhhge" are a classic. Stuck between Sheila and Quinn - Mateo was a fun character.

9 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

The recent daytime Star losses of Anne Heche, Tyler Christopher and Bill Miller compound this of stars in trouble and not getting adequate help. 

I would respectfully suggest that one of these things does not fit with the others. IMO, the tragic accident that claimed Anne Heche's life was more than likely a function of either mechanical or electrical or electronic failure of her automobile. Also I do not believe there is sufficient evidence to conclude that she had a problem covered by mental illness.