7 minutes ago, Vee said:

Again, I don't think it's as creatively dead as Y&R. There's levels to this lol. There's still spark and some enjoyable stuff here and there in the day to day. But it's so weighted down by all the bland characters and lame stories or plotting. There's a lot of great vets or possibility just suffocated by the same old names BTS.

Agreed. Building off of what you said, I find GH, as bad as it is, to be easier to sit through than Y&R (or B&B).

Things actually happen on GH, and we get storyline variety. I like that stories aren't just romance and corporate like Y&R. We get mob, medical, business, spy, police, and syfy all in one soap lol. Too bad its just bad it's written with too many characters.

Edited November 16, 20241 yr by Planet Soap

My criticism is because there is so much talent at GH right now. It’s not terrible, but that cast could be doing really good shows consistently, and it doesn’t feel as hollow as Y&R does to me because there is such a strong core of vets. DAYS also has thia, but RC has turned that show into more of a cartoon.

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

Again, I don't think it's as creatively dead as Y&R. There's levels to this lol. There's still spark and some enjoyable stuff here and there in the day to day. But it's so weighted down by all the bland characters and lame stories or plotting. There's a lot of great vets or possibility just suffocated by the same old names BTS.

Yeah, for sure, there are levels.  It's just lately everything I have been excited about has not lived up to my expectations.  PM gets cut early, Lois/Lucky's returns haven't been satisfying so far, the stories I enjoyed have petered out or haven't been written well, and characters I did like have been written very unlikable.  I mean, I guess at least Sam's dead lol. 

2 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Lois/Lucky's returns haven't been satisfying so far

Lois' return happened during the strike era... which was kind of solid overall. #bringthosewritersback 😶

On 11/13/2024 at 5:00 PM, ranger1rg said:

What political office did Drew run for and win? Maybe I missed something.

I thought he ran for a state rep office, yet Nina just mentioned he'll "have to run again in 4 years." Unless it was a statewide office, he'll have to run again in 2 years, and everyone who knows the least bit about civics and politics knows that.

If I have it wrong, please let me know.

Drew ran for Congress.  The United States House of Representatives.  And, yes, elections to the U.S. House are every two years.  U.S. Senators are elected to six-year terms. 

In the state legislatures, the lower house, usually called the Assembly or the state House of Representatives, has elections every two years.  The upper House, called the state Senate, varies from state to state.  In some, state Senators are elected to four-years terms, while in others, they are elected to two-year terms.  

7 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

Lois' return happened during the strike era... which was kind of solid overall. #bringthosewritersback 😶

If DAYS can get away with it...

1 hour ago, Taoboi said:

So directionless that Wagger's murder upped and vanished.  

 

 

And they wonder why viewers have left in droves. They think their viewers are stupid. We haven't forgotten that Sonny killed him and got away with murder yet again.

10 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

If DAYS can get away with it...

This is the FiCore Era, so anyone can get away with it. They're union members, they're just not good ones. 

5 hours ago, Liberty City said:

He really did; he understood them. Drew was a bit more likable under Mulcahey, too, but the role is completely destroyed beyond repair. Re-watching Billy Miller's Drew vs. Cameron Mathison's Drew, and it's a complete 180° turn in characterization. Disappointing.

CM's Drew is essentially a brand-new character.  There are no references to Drew having Jason's memories as part of him, or that he was once believed to be Jason.  He has no relationship with Jake, who was like a son to him.  His personality and character are completely different.

The only things that have remained the same are his place in the Quartermaine family, having a daughter with Sam named Scout, and having a son named Oscar who died of cancer.

This was hammered home by Drew's scenes with Ric, who he used to hate.  Rick Lansing hired Hayden to pretend she was Drew's wife.  He was determined to keep Drew (Jake Doe) and Elizabeth apart by whatever means necessary.  This is what finally helped Elizabeth see that, in many respects, Ric was irredeemable.  I still remember her words to him at the Nurses' Ball: "Whatever good there was in you is gone.  Or maybe it was never really there. Maybe...you were never good."

Actually, I found that scene.  It was really good and worth watching.  

 

18 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

And they wonder why viewers have left in droves. They think their viewers are stupid. We haven't forgotten that Sonny killed him and got away with murder yet again.

Considering how many times viewers stuck around with Sonny committing heinous crimes, they probably assume fans will see this as more of the same. To be honest I'm not sure how many fans even care about this instance. 

I don't keep track of the ratings, but I do wonder if they have improved any after scapegoating Mulcahey. If not, it just shows again how they care more about power games than quality.

6 minutes ago, StevieM said:

CM's Drew is essentially a brand-new character.  There are no references to Drew having Jason's memories as part of him, or that he was once believed to be Jason.  He has no relationship with Jake, who was like a son to him.  His personality and character are completely different.

Mathison's Drew mirrors the time when Drew's memories were transferred to Franco, so it's [my] belief this could be a pre-Jason Drew overall. If they leaned into that, I'd semi-buy it.

30 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I don't keep track of the ratings, but I do wonder if they have improved any after scapegoating Mulcahey. If not, it just shows again how they care more about power games than quality.

They have, IIRC. But that's because they suddenly did a bunch of big plot swerves in late summer-early fall, not that many made much sense. I do think a lot of early-mid 2024 was bogged down in BTS upheaval and conflicting visions and the stasis showed onscreen. Now it's a different kind of older stasis from the CVE/O'Connor era back again, but with more of their typical hollow feints towards movement and action.

Drew has always been a cipher of a character, created as a pastiche to explain away the Two Jasons. The only character he was imbued with came from Billy Miller and now Cameron's performances, so he can basically be whatever an actor or the writers want him to be. That was a rich potential opportunity at several points in the past which were never really followed up on (as the heroic anti-Jason, a decorated Navy SEAL, etc), and again in the spring when he was remolded into a debonair political animal under PM. But the truth is the once and present creative team has no real investment in Drew as a character so they've never really bothered to flesh him out. I was all for doing more with Drew at several points including in the spring, and I think CM (and before him, Miller) has been capable of it. I think Drew and Nina and the Willow angle could've gone more fun and exciting places with the right handling. But at this point Drew feels like a poisoned chalice with so many messy stories and so many fans that are annoyed with him that if I was in charge I might as well kill him off.

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53 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

Mathison's Drew mirrors the time when Drew's memories were transferred to Franco, so it's [my] belief this could be a pre-Jason Drew overall. If they leaned into that, I'd semi-buy it.

Yeah I been thinking along those lines too

9 hours ago, Liberty City said:

I'm all for moving on, because Sonny would never be held responsible in the way he should have... so I'm okay with us DNI'ing it.

 

7 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

And they wonder why viewers have left in droves. They think their viewers are stupid. We haven't forgotten that Sonny killed him and got away with murder yet again.

This is what angers me about these writers and maybe the fans. Anyone that has a memory about Sonny killing Jagger in cold blood is treated like an idiot fan with the show completely no longer acknowledging it and Sonny firmly in his nice guy role 🙄

7 hours ago, StevieM said:

CM's Drew is essentially a brand-new character.  There are no references to Drew having Jason's memories as part of him, or that he was once believed to be Jason.  He has no relationship with Jake, who was like a son to him.  His personality and character are completely different.

The only things that have remained the same are his place in the Quartermaine family, having a daughter with Sam named Scout, and having a son named Oscar who died of cancer.

This was hammered home by Drew's scenes with Ric, who he used to hate.  Rick Lansing hired Hayden to pretend she was Drew's wife.  He was determined to keep Drew (Jake Doe) and Elizabeth apart by whatever means necessary.  This is what finally helped Elizabeth see that, in many respects, Ric was irredeemable.  I still remember her words to him at the Nurses' Ball: "Whatever good there was in you is gone.  Or maybe it was never really there. Maybe...you were never good."

Actually, I found that scene.  It was really good and worth watching.  

 

I was wondering if they had retconned the fact that Drew had Jason’s memories because if he did he honestly never would’ve done this to Michael.

Over the last two years, the show was best from January-March 2023, December 2023-January 2023, and from May-August 2024. The cold-blooded murder of Jagger offended the audience and the show lost quality.