On 2/10/2019 at 8:27 AM, DeeeDee said:

Why I'm mourning Kristoff St. John

 

Long before there were black showrunners like Shonda Rhimes and Kenya Barris creating series that showcase the complexity of the black experience, there were black soap stars acting out storylines that often ignored they were considered "the other" in the mainstream.

 

"But unlike Jesse, who was a tough college dropout, Adam on "Generations" was more in keeping with the wealthy and upwardly mobile white characters typically featured on daytime dramas."

 

This is probably why I was more drawn to Winters/Barbers than any other day time family. 

6 minutes ago, Vanguardian said:

I just blissfully noticed something else. Were TPTB thinking of Kristoff when they decided to create two characters bearing the names of one of his daughters and his ex-wife? LOLA and MIA, respectively. Hey, maybe they can name sexy future male characters Julian and Kristoff. I LIKE!

 

Mia is named after Angelica's daughter. 

 

If the show ever allowed another black baby to be born on canvas into the Winters family (Devon is past due), do you guys think it'd be too on the nose or in poor taste to name the child after Kristoff? Or would Neil be better? 

Just posted this in the Old Y&R thread. Check out the scenes at 23 minutes in and 31 minutes in.

 

These are such sweet scenes between Neil & Dru, with Neil talking about his faith... I sense there is a lot of KSJ in here. What a magical couple.

 

 

Edited February 12, 20196 yr by BoldRestless

12 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

"But unlike Jesse, who was a tough college dropout, Adam on "Generations" was more in keeping with the wealthy and upwardly mobile white characters typically featured on daytime dramas."

 

This is probably why I was more drawn to Winters/Barbers than any other day time family. 

 

Mia is named after Angelica's daughter. 

 

If the show ever allowed another black baby to be born on canvas into the Winters family (Devon is past due), do you guys think it'd be too on the nose or in poor taste to name the child after Kristoff? Or would Neil be better? 

KRISTOFF! And not in poor taste IMO. HA! Also, who is Angelica? All I know is that Mia is the name of Kristoff's ex-wife AND the name of that spitfire heffa on the show married to Rey.

Edited February 12, 20196 yr by Vanguardian

14 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

Just posted this in the Old Y&R thread. Check out the scenes at 23 minutes in and 31 minutes in.

 

These are such sweet scenes between Neil & Dru, with Neil talking about his faith... I sense there is a lot of KSJ in here. What a magical couple.

 

 

 

Beautiful. Their love story was beautiful. 

39 minutes ago, Chris B said:

 

It’s pretty difficult to pay tribute to the legacy Kristoff is leaving behind if you don’t mention Victoria Rowell. That would be like Katherine with no Jill or Victor with no Nikki, they go hand in hand. Dru and Neil were a super couple with enduring popularity. I don’t think it’s a bad think to bring that up. Kristoff’s best work was opposite people like Shemar Moore, Victoria Rowell and Tonya Lee Williams.

 

I don’t think anybody, including Rowell have made it about her. The issues they faced were similar. It’s like when there’s a major shooting and people say “now is not the time to discuss new gun laws.” That’s done to distract and get people off the hook. It’s the same with race issues, let’s just ignore it until everything is quiet and then these companies do the same thing over and over again. 

Yes to all of this.

13 minutes ago, Vanguardian said:

KRISTOFF! And not in poor taste IMO. HA! Also, who is Angelica? All I know is that Mia is the name of Kristoff's ex-wife AND the name of that spitfire heffa on the show married to Rey.

 

Angelica Rosas McDaniel is the head of CBS daytime. It's been her mission to bring on Latinos made in the image of her own family. 

3 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Angelica Rosas McDaniel is the head of CBS daytime. It's been her mission to bring on Latinos made in the image of her own family. 

Great coincidence (MAYBE) with the late Kristoff having two women in his life with the names MIA and LOLA. 

I remember when I first started watching Y&R, 20 years ago, and I found out that this black family had a matriarch with the name of MAMIE and I was bowled over. Mamie is a hop skip and a jump from Mammy, forget that this woman was a maid. I mentioned how incredibly fucked up that seemed on some forum and got blasted with "Mamie is a NAME! MAMIE EISENHOWER HELLO!".

 

So yeah, race in relation to soaps will always be met with someone wanting to shut you down, don't talk about it, it makes them uncomfortable.

27 minutes ago, Darn said:

I remember when I first started watching Y&R, 20 years ago, and I found out that this black family had a matriarch with the name of MAMIE and I was bowled over. Mamie is a hop skip and a jump from Mammy, forget that this woman was a maid. I mentioned how incredibly fucked up that seemed on some forum and got blasted with "Mamie is a NAME! MAMIE EISENHOWER HELLO!".

 

So yeah, race in relation to soaps will always be met with someone wanting to shut you down, don't talk about it, it makes them uncomfortable.

 

Also made the correlation to Mammy. I honestly always thought it was intended to be connected being that Mamie wasn't just a maid. She was a "mammy",  so to speak, to the Abbot children. I never liked it. And I cringe every time her "deep connection" to the abbots is brought up here like it's something to be revered. 

Edited February 12, 20196 yr by ajsp35801

8 minutes ago, Darn said:

I remember when I first started watching Y&R, 20 years ago, and I found out that this black family had a matriarch with the name of MAMIE and I was bowled over. Mamie is a hop skip and a jump from Mammy, forget that this woman was a maid. I mentioned how incredibly fucked up that seemed on some forum and got blasted with "Mamie is a NAME! MAMIE EISENHOWER HELLO!".

 

So yeah, race in relation to soaps will always be met with someone wanting to shut you down, don't talk about it, it makes them uncomfortable.

 

And usually they seem to want to come after me, regardless of whether I actually initiate the topic.  Part of me wants to laugh and the other part wants to cuss somebody out because I'm f*ckin' sick of it.

I agree that it's a topic worthy of discussion, regardless of what a few posters think.

1 hour ago, ajsp35801 said:

If the show ever allowed another black baby to be born on canvas into the Winters family (Devon is past due), do you guys think it'd be too on the nose or in poor taste to name the child after Kristoff? Or would Neil be better? 

 

As long as it ain't something as WTF as Moses....

25 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

And I cringe every time her "deep connection" to the abbots is brought up here like it's something to be revered. 

 

It is something to be revered. Mamie was for all intents & purposes Jack, Ashley & especially Traci's surrogate mom.

19 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

As long as it ain't something as WTF as Moses....

 

I'm still annoyed by that name though I know it was Sophia's father's name. 

18 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

 

It is something to be revered. Mamie was for all intents & purposes Jack, Ashley & especially Traci's surrogate mom.

 

Yes, their mammy. Sure. 

 

Had she been more than that, her and John would have married. 

 

However, can we blame Bell for writing what he knew.

 

https://blogs.lib.unc.edu/ncm/index.php/2013/06/02/mammy/

Edited February 13, 20196 yr by ajsp35801

It’s funny: both Moses and Mamie are names that have been passed down within my (black) family for generations. I now understand how the similarity to “Mammy” bothers people. Certainly, domestic workers who are WOC are still very much part of our culture. 

13 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

Had she been more than that, her and John would have married.

 

That's where the story was going until Bill's illness & backstage issues caused major problems.