So Doug married his own stepdaughter?! Lordy. How was that received by the characters and viewers at the time?

5 hours ago, cassadine1991 said:

RC talks about how Chad/Abby have real history and that he's going to reunite them.

 

Good. Not because I care about Chad and Abby being back together, but because I can't stand Chad/Gabi. I'm hoping Ron doesn't think Gabi is the bestest character to ever grace daytime.

 

I'm sure after a while Ron will be a complete trainwreck, but right now I look forward to the change in writers.

22 minutes ago, Adamski said:

So Doug married his own stepdaughter?! Lordy. How was that received by the characters and viewers at the time?

Bill Bell knew how to handle those stories... Marie Horton falling for her presumed dead amnesiac brother, Bill Horton raping and impregnating Laura.who marries his brother etc

Viewers lapped it up...

Edited July 13, 20178 yr by Paul Raven

Just now, Paul Raven said:

Bill Bell knew how to handle those stories... Marie Horton falling for her presumed dead amnesiac brother, Bill Horton raping and impregnating Laura.who marries his brother etc

Viewers lapped it up...

To be honest, I see the Horton's being one of the most scandalous families in soaps back then, other soap families couldn't compare at the time IMO. 

Ugh, how many times have we seen this cover and tagline!!

4 hours ago, te. said:

 

I don't think even the most devoted viewers know what the hell his backstory is anymore...

 

Yeah, I'd love to know Drake Hogestyn's take on his character's backstory at this point. He's very devoted to his character and the Jason Bourne-like back story, but it's been rewritten, twisted, and convoluted so many times, I'm not sure even Drake knows the timeline anymore. 

 

The whole Tony/Andre thing is another one I just can't even wrap my head around any longer and I no longer care. Andre's here, he's not "totally evil" just slightly evil. I'll take it. As long as he doesn't start killing people off and stashing them on islands again. 

 

I have hope for Carlivati's work, and I love that he brings back the old faves. With any luck, we'll see the returns of people like Christie Clarke, and I could even see him pulling someone out of obscurity like Denise Alexander as Susan. 

47 minutes ago, Gray Bunny said:

 

Yeah, I'd love to know Drake Hogestyn's take on his character's backstory at this point. He's very devoted to his character and the Jason Bourne-like back story, but it's been rewritten, twisted, and convoluted so many times, I'm not sure even Drake knows the timeline anymore. 

 

The whole Tony/Andre thing is another one I just can't even wrap my head around any longer and I no longer care. Andre's here, he's not "totally evil" just slightly evil. I'll take it. As long as he doesn't start killing people off and stashing them on islands again. 

 

I have hope for Carlivati's work, and I love that he brings back the old faves. With any luck, we'll see the returns of people like Christie Clarke, and I could even see him pulling someone out of obscurity like Denise Alexander as Susan. 

I'm still waiting for it to be explained how Andre ended up being Stefano's son.

6 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

No problem! I know you don't do snarky!

 

I wonder if Ron has got his head around Johns backstory....

 

Now THAT is convoluted!!!

5 hours ago, Adamski said:

So Doug married his own stepdaughter?! Lordy. How was that received by the characters and viewers at the time?

 

Doug and Julie had fallen in love first and had become a soap opera super couple, but after a bad misunderstanding, they broke up and Doug impulsively married Julie's lonely mother, Addie. He was not in love with Addie at first, but grew to care for her deeply as time went on. After Doug and Addie had Hope, Addie died in a tragic accident (saving her baby, actually), and Doug eventually reunited with Julie, whom he married three times.

 

Writer William J. Bell had always intended for Doug and Julie to be the end game, but what he did not count on was how much the audience grew to cherish Addie. She had originally been something of a cold fish, but her marriage to Doug and bout with leukemia softened her tremendously, and the audience fell in love with her. Bell wanted to go through with his original plan to have D&J get together, however, so he went ahead and killed Addie off...and the fans went berserk. There was a major backlash at the time, and demands that Bell be fired. Even fans that did want D&J to get back together did not want Addie to DIE. They were furious with the show and inundated fan magazines of the day with vitriolic mail.

 

 

55 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

I'm still waiting for it to be explained how Andre ended up being Stefano's son.

 

It's not like they would know.

 

17 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

Doug and Julie had fallen in love first and had become a soap opera super couple, but after a bad misunderstanding, they broke up and Doug impulsively married Julie's lonely mother, Addie. He was not in love with Addie at first, but grew to care for her deeply as time went on. After Doug and Addie had Hope, Addie died in a tragic accident (saving her baby, actually), and Doug eventually reunited with Julie, whom he married three times.

 

Writer William J. Bell had always intended for Doug and Julie to be the end game, but what he did not count on was how much the audience grew to cherish Addie. She had originally been something of a cold fish, but her marriage to Doug and bout with leukemia softened her tremendously, and the audience fell in love with her. Bell wanted to go through with his original plan to have D&J get together, however, so he went ahead and killed Addie off...and the fans went berserk. There was a major backlash at the time, and demands that Bell be fired. Even fans that did want D&J to get back together did not want Addie to DIE. They were furious with the show and inundated fan magazines of the day with vitriolic mail.

 

Thanks for sharing. I love hearing about interesting stories like this that had equally interesting reactions/behind the scenes consequences.

 

I wonder if he just took the easy way out of the situation by removing Addie as a 'problem'. Maybe he thought Addie dying to save her baby would be a heartbreaking, heroic death and people would say "that's a shame" before accepting Doug/Julie back together.

Just now, YRBB said:

 

It's not like they would know.

 

 

Thanks for sharing. I love hearing about interesting stories like this that had equally interesting reactions/behind the scenes consequences.

 

I wonder if he just took the easy way out of the situation by removing Addie as a 'problem'. Maybe he thought Addie dying to save her baby would be a heartbreaking, heroic death and people would say "that's a shame" before accepting Doug/Julie back together.

 

He had duped fans into thinking that Addie was going to survive, because after a long battle with leukemia, she recovered and returned to health. Just when fans thought she was safe, Bell killed the character in a traffic accident. He claimed that he was never really going to have Addie die from her illness, because that would be a heartless slap in the face to audience members with sick relatives. Viewers replied, "Well, what about those of us who have had loved ones die in traffic accidents?" They would not let him off the hook, LOL. When she took over as headwriter, Pat Falken Smith said she had to tread gently on the path to D&J's reconciliation.

5 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

He had duped fans into thinking that Addie was going to survive, because after a long battle with leukemia, she recovered and returned to health. Just when fans thought she was safe, Bell killed the character in a traffic accident. He claimed that he was never really going to have Addie die from her illness, because that would be a heartless slap in the face to audience members with sick relatives. Viewers replied, "Well, what about those of us who have had loved ones die in traffic accidents?" They would not let him off the hook, LOL. When she took over as headwriter, Pat Falken Smith said she had to tread gently on the path to D&J's reconciliation.

 

Fascinating (as is anything Bell-era DAYS). It sounds like he might have thought it was going to be OK & that he was going to get away with it. LOL  

Just now, YRBB said:

 

Fascinating (as is anything Bell-era DAYS). It sounds like he might have thought it was going to be OK & that he was going to get away with it. LOL  

 

Well, he left the show and went over to Y&R, leaving PFS to handle the ongoing stories, so he really did not have to deal with much off the fall-out. And in the end, many if not most of the audience did want D&J to be together anyway, just not at Addie's expense.

 

The situation reminded me of when Irna Phillips killed off Liz Stewart on ATWT. Phillips had wanted to get rid of the character for years, but the audience LOVED her. When Phillips finally had Liz die (and so stupidly, too), the audience was ready for war. They bombarded the studio with hate mail for a long time. Irna shopuld have known better, after dealing with viewers' fury when she killed off Kathy Roberts on TGL

14 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Well, he left the show and went over to Y&R, leaving PFS to handle the ongoing stories, so he really did not have to deal with much off the fall-out. And in the end, many if not most of the audience did want D&J to be together anyway, just not at Addie's expense.

 

The situation reminded me of when Irna Phillips killed off Liz Stewart on ATWT. Phillips had wanted to get rid of the character for years, but the audience LOVED her. When Phillips finally had Liz die (and so stupidly, too), the audience was ready for war. They bombarded the studio with hate mail for a long time. Irna shopuld have known better, after dealing with viewers' fury when she killed off Kathy Roberts on TGL

Didn't viewers also outrage when Bill killed Jennifer Brooks off of Y&R?

4 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

Didn't viewers also outrage when Bill killed Jennifer Brooks off of Y&R?

 

Yes. She passed away on her 30th wedding anniversary, after surviving a breast-cancer storyline.

 

Viewers were not amused.

 

I have never understood why Bell killed her off. Matriarchs were usually sacred on his shows. He claimed he did it to open up storyline potential for Stuart, which really does not wash. Why not kill off Stuart to open up story for Jennifer? Hmm. Weird.

6 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Yes. She passed away on her 30th wedding anniversary, after surviving a breast-cancer storyline.

 

Viewers were not amused.

 

I have never understood why Bell killed her off. Matriarchs were usually sacred on his shows. He claimed he did it to open up storyline potential for Stuart, which really does not wash. Why not kill off Stuart to open up story for Jennifer? Hmm. Weird.

 

I think there was some talk here years ago of issues with the actress.