Just now, juniorz1 said:

 

That's right!  It was just about the same time that happened.  It was jarring and a total downgrade.  I actually liked Davetta's chemistry with Grazadei.  I know I'm in the minority there, but there was something kind of forbidden there.  I thought it was hot in a different kind of way.

 

And Leon and Luckinbill were FIRE!  I remember the hate sex they had when they were arguing about his dalliance with Victoria and her flirtation with Professor Annoying.  Sizzling!!!  Sursok had chem with NOBODY!

 

 

Yes! It happened right around the same time. Sherwood and Leon were really good in the roles. Leon and Luckinbill were great from what I can remember. And I liked Sherwood with Graziadei, more than the whiney Valley Girl we still have in the role. The actresses both gave such "oomph" to their roles and fit right in as strong women on the canvas. I loved Fonseca as Colleen but Leon added some fire.

 

Sursok was awful. I'm still annoyed Colleen and Brad were offed like they meant nothing to the show. Too bad Heather Tom and Don Diamont are on B&B. I still see them as Victoria and Brad and always will. I wish both were still on Y&R.

Y&R needs and needed a character like Brad Carlton.  He, AMC's Alec McIntyre, and OLTL's Max Holden fit a certain type of man that is very much missing on soaps today.  Think Michael Corbett's character on Ryan's Hope.  I LOVE those guys, the player, the opportunist, the man-whore, but not cuz they're slutty, but because money gets them hard.   And they rarely, if ever, apologized for it.  LML watered Brad down with the whole Reliquary mess, but he was certainly still old-school Brad when he married Victoria and was boffing Sharon on the side.  THAT is the Brad Carlton I knew and loved.   And there are so many men that are like that today, hell worse than Brad or Max.  Yet they are grossly missing from daytime.  Whoever decided in the 2000s that daytime should start playing it completely safe, especially with love scenes, is a real asshat.

I mean we'd NEVER get a relationship like AMC's Alec & Arlene on daytime today and that sick, twisted affair produced some of the raciest and hottest sex scenes EVER on television, let alone daytime.  Give the people something to watch and they WILL.  It ain't rocket Science.  The F?

1 minute ago, juniorz1 said:

Y&R needs and needed a character like Brad Carlton.  He, AMC's Alec McIntyre, and OLTL's Max Holden fit a certain type of man that is very much missing on soaps today.  Think Michael Corbett's character on Ryan's Hope.  I LOVE those guys, the player, the opportunist, the man-whore, but not cuz they're slutty, but because money gets them hard.   And they rarely, if ever, apologized for it.  LML watered Brad down with the whole Reliquary mess, but he was certainly still old-school Brad when he married Victoria and was boffing Sharon on the side.  THAT is the Brad Carlton I knew and loved.   And there are so many men that are like that today, hell worse than Brad or Max.  Yet they are grossly missing from daytime.  Whoever decided in the 2000s that daytime should start playing it completely safe, especially with love scenes, is a real asshat.

 

To bad they didn't write Cane like that.

Tammin Sursok wasn't a good actress & the Nazi/Reliquary stuff was some of the worst soap ever but it was still a ridiculous for Y&R to kill off The Carltons after spending so much time & effort into making them happen.

 

Especially since most of the stories Ashley & Abby had after Brad & Colleen died were awful.

 

If Y&R needed to get rid of them for awhile the writers could've very easily sent them to Europe for a couple of years instead of subjecting them to unnecessarily gruesome deaths.

2 hours ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

Maybe she'll come back as Jack daughter. 

 

You know what I didn't mind seeing Abby, Summer, & Colleen. The next generation Abbotts then they didn't have to worry about Kyle for a while. 

 

 

 

 

John's brother could have kids, grandkids and great-grandchildren 

38 minutes ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

To bad they didn't write Cane like that.

 

Agreed. That's how I've wanted Cane to be forever. The writing is a tad better for him now but not totally there

 

And agreed Juniorz, I enjoy those types as well

41 minutes ago, juniorz1 said:

Y&R needs and needed a character like Brad Carlton.  He, AMC's Alec McIntyre, and OLTL's Max Holden fit a certain type of man that is very much missing on soaps today.  Think Michael Corbett's character on Ryan's Hope.  I LOVE those guys, the player, the opportunist, the man-whore, but not cuz they're slutty, but because money gets them hard.   And they rarely, if ever, apologized for it.  LML watered Brad down with the whole Reliquary mess, but he was certainly still old-school Brad when he married Victoria and was boffing Sharon on the side.  THAT is the Brad Carlton I knew and loved.   And there are so many men that are like that today, hell worse than Brad or Max.  Yet they are grossly missing from daytime.  Whoever decided in the 2000s that daytime should start playing it completely safe, especially with love scenes, is a real asshat.

I mean we'd NEVER get a relationship like AMC's Alec & Arlene on daytime today and that sick, twisted affair produced some of the raciest and hottest sex scenes EVER on television, let alone daytime.  Give the people something to watch and they WILL.  It ain't rocket Science.  The F?

 

+1

30 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

Tammin Sursok wasn't a good actress & the Nazi/Reliquary stuff was some of the worst soap ever but it was still a ridiculous for Y&R to kill off The Carltons after spending so much time & effort into making them happen.

 

Especially since most of the stories Ashley & Abby had after Brad & Colleen died were awful.

 

If Y&R needed to get rid of them for awhile the writers could've very easily sent them to Europe for a couple of years instead of subjecting them to unnecessarily gruesome deaths.

 

+1

 

Write them off, don't kill them for shock value. And to do it in a way that their deaths are PERMANENT was such a slap in the face.

Sursok got better on PLL but I agree LML shouldn't have fired Adrianne Leon. Didn't they fire her because of she was getting curvy? 

The most amazing thing about Adrianne Leon is how much she looked like Beth Maitland.

 

40 minutes ago, cassadine1991 said:

John's brother could have kids, grandkids and great-grandchildren 

 

If they write for John brother, that means they want to write for the Abbotts. Which I believe they don't, unless they are apart of Newman.

3 minutes ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

If they write for John brother, that means they want to write for the Abbotts. Which I believe they don't, unless they are apart of Newman.

Victor has a brother too

Just now, cassadine1991 said:

Victor has a brother too

 

Yeah, but I'm tired of the Newman. So, his brother can stay away.

Adrienne Leon was great casting for Traci and Brad's daughter.

I would've like to see how Leon and Maitland would be together as well as Leon with Adams and Davidson.  

It also would be interesting to see how Colleen's relationship would've evolved with Abby as well as Lily at this time.

I've just watched Friday's episode.

 

It was the best Y&R I've seen in about 15 years.

 

The Dina accommodation story beat is classic Y&R.

 

I liked them tying Lauren's dislike of Sharon with Scotty's kidnapping.

 

I even enjoyed CK!! 

 

AH cannot deliver for the life of hers, but at least she's trying.

 

Scotty needs to be recast PRONTO. I'm looking forward to watch daily, even though I'm not looking forward any FauxPhyllis, Newmans and Chelsea drama.

18 hours ago, DeeeDee said:

 

Y&R didn't begin doing this until Summer's birth. Their preferred method before that was long lost relatives.

 

That's true. It was always a long lost relative. Folks give Devon's connection to Kay the side eye but if I recall correctly, MacKenzie materialized out of thin air the same way. Was her mother and Brock's story ever on-screen? Could have been before my time. 

18 hours ago, Juliajms said:

I don't mind so much since he isn't Nick's and we don't see him much these days. Then again I have zero hope that any of these third generation characters are going to be written well.  Not if Noah and Reed are any indication.  I need one of Victor's grandchildren to show some drive.

 

I mind even more cause he's Adam's and I know exactly what JFP was trying to do. Had Nick been the more popular one, he'd been his. Lol

Abby & Scott, still don't see it.