9 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

I thought that Lachlan, Blake, in the role of Kyle. Sadly, all of them got no story or character development at all. 

 

 

I thought Lachlan was good in the role. As you said they had nothing for him to do. I barely remember Blake in the role. I think I remember one scene with him and Jack and that's it.

3 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

I doubt we'll ever see Keemo again as long as Peter Bergman is on the canvas. 

why did Bergman hate that SL? I have tried to find out using many sites but can't find anything. people keep bringing it up but won;t say why he hated it. 

14 minutes ago, Roman said:

why did Bergman hate that SL? I have tried to find out using many sites but can't find anything. people keep bringing it up but won;t say why he hated it. 

 

I don't know either. I've just heard it from trusting posters on various soap boards that he didn't care for the pairing. I've heard he didn't like Angie/Cliff being paired together on AMC either. Don't wanna peg the man as a bigot, but where there's smoke...

I would only be surprised if it was someone totally out of the blue like Mari Jo Mason out of the psycho ward.

Didn't that story get him canned and led to DM's departure from AMC? 

 

I can see him being gunshy when it comes to the bigots in the audience, but I've never seen anything regarding his feelings on the stories (Cliff and Angie and Jack and Luan) other than veiled comments with no credible sources to back it up.

 

Then again, I always got the impression he does give off a bit of a douchey vibe, so what do I know?

Edited April 25, 20178 yr by katie_9918

There is another reason why he may not like Keemo, it makes Jack a set age as any child Jack would have had during the war would be well over 40. Edited to add: so in this case he may be more vain than racist, though we'll never know.

Edited April 25, 20178 yr by ~bl~
adding extra info

Bergman does remember a storyline that still makes him cringe. They decided Jack had served in Viet Nam, sired a child he did not know about, and his now-grown son, Keemo, came to town. "Whenever I am displeased with a storyline, all I have to do is think 'Keemo,' and I realize how bad things could get," Bergman explains.

 

http://soapcentral.com/yr/news/2013/0403-bergman.php

 

He hated the story. Doesn't say why. Everything else coupled with the Angie/Cliff story is conjecture.

 

10 minutes ago, Darn said:

He hated the story. Doesn't say why. Everything else coupled with the Angie/Cliff story is conjecture.

 

I said that I just heard the Angie/Cliff rumor like everyone else. I didn't say it was factual; however, I do believe that where there's smoke, there could be fire. 

 

I don't know why he hated the Keemo story so much as many American men did sire kids during Vietnam. 

Ellen Winters returns!!

1 minute ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

I said that I just heard the Angie/Cliff rumor like everyone else. I didn't say it was factual; however, I do believe that where there's smoke, there could be fire. 

 

I don't know why he hated the Keemo story so much as many American men did sire kids during Vietnam. 

 

I didn't say you did and I think it's fishy af that those are two of the stories he objected to yet he's okay playing his own South American doppelgänger. 

14 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

I said that I just heard the Angie/Cliff rumor like everyone else. I didn't say it was factual; however, I do believe that where there's smoke, there could be fire. 

 

I don't know why he hated the Keemo story so much as many American men did sire kids during Vietnam. 

Guess he didn't want to accept that Jack was a certain age.

11 minutes ago, Darn said:

 

I didn't say you did and I think it's fishy af that those are two of the stories he objected to yet he's okay playing his own South American doppelgänger. 

 

Soap actors are a weird breed. That's what I am discovering. They sh-t on phenomenal, character driven stories--the meat and potatoes , but love campy stories--the scraps. 

 

Just now, cassadine1991 said:

Guess he didn't want to accept that Jack was a certain age.

 

Oh plz. I doubt this was the issue at all. If it was, then he should've built a bridge and got over that b-tch. He's an actor, not a writer. 

 

See this is why I am glad I am not the head writer of a show b/c I'd be firing people left and right. I HATE actors that feel they can dictate what the write, who is the visionary of the show, can tell. Do I think they should have concerns at times? Yes. But a story about Jack producing a child during Vietnam isn't one of them. Especially, when it is possible that Jack could've done it. Hell, Tom did it on ATWT, and it was a beautiful story. 

 

The actors on Y&R are quick to bitch about not getting camera time, but when someone truly tosses them a bone, they moan like babies. That's why I love Sharon Case b/c she takes whatever she is given and is gracious. 

39 minutes ago, Darn said:

Bergman does remember a storyline that still makes him cringe. They decided Jack had served in Viet Nam, sired a child he did not know about, and his now-grown son, Keemo, came to town. "Whenever I am displeased with a storyline, all I have to do is think 'Keemo,' and I realize how bad things could get," Bergman explains.

 

http://soapcentral.com/yr/news/2013/0403-bergman.php

 

He hated the story. Doesn't say why. Everything else coupled with the Angie/Cliff story is conjecture.

 

He must be saying that a lot lately. From his dual role disaster to GloHo now.....

26 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

Soap actors are a weird breed. That's what I am discovering. They sh-t on phenomenal, character driven stories--the meat and potatoes , but love campy stories--the scraps. 

 

 

Oh plz. I doubt this was the issue at all. If it was, then he should've built a bridge and got over that b-tch. He's an actor, not a writer. 

 

See this is why I am glad I am not the head writer of a show b/c I'd be firing people left and right. I HATE actors that feel they can dictate what the write, who is the visionary of the show, can tell. Do I think they should have concerns at times? Yes. But a story about Jack producing a child during Vietnam isn't one of them. Especially, when it is possible that Jack could've done it. Hell, Tom did it on ATWT, and it was a beautiful story. 

 

The actors on Y&R are quick to bitch about not getting camera time, but when someone truly tosses them a bone, they moan like babies. That's why I love Sharon Case b/c she takes whatever she is given and is gracious. 

And did Scott Holmes moan and complain? No!

@Nothin'ButAttitude You're absolutely correct - the Tom/Lien story was great and lasted 3 years. Plus it introduced the masses to the wonderful Ming-Na. All I remember from the Keemo story were scenes where Keemo just hated Jack. I rarely watched during that era - only when I went home to the family.  I don't much care for Aunt Jack at all.