3 hours ago, UK LAW said:

 The Devon/Mariah strand kicked in this week also as well as Neil and Devon deciding to start a business together. How much the latter satisfies the long-held wish for Neil to drive his own business and how much screen time this new endeavour gets remains to be seen.

 

 

 

I seen this story line before & I know where it's going to go. They going to show it for 1 day out of the week of the two months.  After the two months are over the next month they are going to give up their business.  

Why are they going out of their way to make Jack such an unlikeable bastard? Or is it just the way Bergman plays it? I just can't stand him anymore.

1 hour ago, KMan101 said:

Why are they going out of their way to make Jack such an unlikeable bastard? Or is it just the way Bergman plays it? I just can't stand him anymore.

I wish I could remember more of the time (as I was pretty young) or where I read it more recently as a reminder, but it's been said this version of Jack is actually more in line with the 'original' characterisation. Terry Lester's Jack was more like this. Selfish, rough around the edges, invariably drawn to the wrong woman, at odds with Ashley and ruthless as a businessman. To the point it causes problems. And that it was Peter Bergman's good looks and portrayal that necessitated the change into 'smiling Jack'. 

 

The habit of losing (to the Newmans) I believe was born out of his feud with Victor. And because it's become so commonplace, and dramatically produces good scenes, consecutive writers have extended the scope of his losses to the Newman children. Case in point, this past week with Victoria.

Edited March 25, 20178 yr by UK LAW

19 hours ago, edgeofnik said:

So the device has been around (and working) for six months in that Dino, but it took Nick to find it? Good thing that Connor who can't be separated from it, didn't pull it out or Chelsea noticing it. Terrible.

 

Good thing Nikki ditched Reed to hang out in Crimson Lights and happens on the first singer to ever hang out on the patio

 

Neil ridiculous overreaction to Devon saying he kissed Mariah, moments after Devon said he was dating her. So Neil is shocked that two people dating are kissing and that's what causes him to warn Devon about moving on? Weird. 

 

Would it have killed the writers to write Nikki seeing this young woman busking outside of CL a few times before she gets the sudden flash of inspiration to bring her and Reed together for a lesson?

 

Such clunky writing, it makes me ask over and over whether the writers use an actual outline for their stories. It just doesn't seem like they do.

18 minutes ago, UK LAW said:

I wish I could remember more of the time (as I was pretty young) or where I read it more recently as a reminder, but it's been said this version of Jack is actually more in line with the 'original' characterisation. Terry Lester's Jack was more like this. Selfish, rough around the edges, invariably drawn to the wrong woman, add odds with Ashley and ruthless as a business. To the point it causes problems. And that it was Peter Bergman's good looks and portrayal that necessitated the change into 'smiling Jack'. 

 

 I was young too but I remember the first Jack as always being desirable even though you knew he was a bad boy. It was almost like a dare for a woman to be with him. Whereas with PB's Jack, I only like him when he's being the better man or a good guy. He's not charming when he's ruthless. TL's Jack was attractive even when he was naughty. He had more sex appeal.

 

5 hours ago, UK LAW said:

The Devon/Mariah strand kicked in this week also as well as Neil and Devon deciding to start a business together. How much the latter satisfies the long-held wish for Neil to drive his own business and how much screen time this new endeavour gets remains to be seen.

 

They're really listening to fans. I've seen viewers ask for both Neil, and Devon, to have their own businesses for years, so it's perfect that they are doing this together. Another plus is it will re-establish the father & son bond that was first tarnished by Tyra, then decimated by Tucker, and finished off by sharing Hillary.

 

Yesterday I saw the Neil I used to know, a father and a highly successful business executive who helped Newman, Jabot, & Chancellor make big money. Victor & Tucker are nasty, ruthless, and constantly break the law. Neil's an honest businessman more like John Abbott. Who better to mentor Devon into being successful?

3 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Would it have killed the writers to write Nikki seeing this young woman busking outside of CL a few times before she gets the sudden flash of inspiration to bring her and Reed together for a lesson?

 

Such clunky writing, it makes me ask over and over whether the writers use an actual outline for their stories. It just doesn't seem like they do.

 

Completely agree. Or have her appear a few times in background at CL - without Nikki. Have Sharon befriend her or at least be cool with her hustling for change while playing. Nikki hears her, asks Sharon about her. Sharon gives two-cents, Nikki hires her and when Tessa turns out to be an opportunist, Nikki can blame Sharon, of course. I'm not sure why there was a rush for the insta-teacher. People complained about Pratt being plot-driven, this is exactly the same thing - but worse because it's boring.

Boring is Sally Sussman's middle name.

13 minutes ago, edgeofnik said:

 

Completely agree. Or have her appear a few times in background at CL - without Nikki. Have Sharon befriend her or at least be cool with her hustling for change while playing. Nikki hears her, asks Sharon about her. Sharon gives two-cents, Nikki hires her and when Tessa turns out to be an opportunist, Nikki can blame Sharon, of course. I'm not sure why there was a rush for the insta-teacher. People complained about Pratt being plot-driven, this is exactly the same thing - but worse because it's boring.

 

Nah, Sally is slovenly but Pratt was more atrocious. He didn't care about character and he ran roughshod over story.

 

The reality is that Y&R hasn't had a writer concerned with detailed storytelling in about a decade now. It's all so slipshod, it's like they can't be bothered with details, which is odd since they only have 5 freaking days per week to write story!

 

Both SS and Pratt are far from ideal storytellers.

Edited March 25, 20178 yr by DramatistDreamer

SS writes 2 to 3 week arcs and considers those stories.

On 3/22/2017 at 1:44 PM, edgeofnik said:

I did watch Wed (US) and it certainly was a more solid episode with Mariah/Devon and the out-of-the-blue "Clarissa" resolution. A couple of really odd things: Jordan's very homophobic comment to Hilary: "If you were a man, I'd have made other plans." Was that really necessary? It completely undercut Hilary's point that a determined man would not get commentary. I really don't get how Chelsea is struggling to be in public because people will feel sorry for her. Huh? First, it's been months (and that's light years for a soap) and second, when did Chelsea become a poor, fragile flower?  

I didn't understand Jordan's comment to Hilary either at first. It seemed so isolated and out of nowhere. And then in Friday's episode, we get some information from Jordan's conversation with Lily that he's done some seemingly shady things to make ends meet. Could Jordan's comment to Hilary and his past actions be connected?

Edited March 25, 20178 yr by Vanguardian

1 hour ago, Vanguardian said:

I didn't understand Jordan's comment to Hilary either at first. It seemed so isolated and out of nowhere. And then in Friday's episode, we get some information from Jordan's conversation with Lily that he's done some seemingly shady things to make ends meet. Could Jordan's comment to Hilary and his past actions be connected?

 

Like gay porn!

 

Maybe photographing for gay magazines?

 

20 minutes ago, slick jones said:

Maybe photographing for gay magazines?

 

 

& he got a hard on while photographing gay men.

1 minute ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

& he got a hard on while photographing gay men.

54 minutes ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

Like gay porn!

 

Or he worked for some business similar to Rentboy? I don't know!

Edited March 26, 20178 yr by Vanguardian