30 minutes ago, GMac said:

 

You are welcome!

 

Right...Sally called out Billionaire Devon as having no motivation since he's been made rich, which is where the speculation is coming from.  We'll see what happens.

 

You know, I bet she now regrets doing that interview. LOL

1 hour ago, Roman said:

You know, I bet she now regrets doing that interview. LOL

He could just find his motivation  and have his money - the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

1 minute ago, slick jones said:

He could just find his motivation  and have his money - the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

 

Exactly, but unfortunately, soaps have done a piss poor job with AA characters of means. Back in the day, HWs only devote time to poor black characters being rescued by white characters. Now, black characters really serve as counselors to their white counterparts. Sally didn't have to mention Devon being a billionaire to let us know he lacks direction which is why many fear Sal will strip him of his cash. 

Contemporary soap operas could've fixed their incredibly one-dimensional characterizations years ago, had they decided to diversify their writer's rooms. I'm not just speaking of ethnicity but age, socio-economic background, etc.

 

Yesterday someone brought up Jeanne Cooper, mistakenly thinking I was shading her (I wasn't, it was Judith Chapman) but it got me thinking:

When was the last time a soap created a character that you could love (or even like/root for) and then dislike in almost equal measure?

 

Let me explain:

Sometimes even when you felt for Katherine, when she was in the depths of her alcholism, you also rued the venomous remarks and psychological cruelty she could inflict on others, while she was still in the depths of her alcoholism.

Early Victor Newman was also another such character that you could like then dislike almost simultaneously, it often seemed.

When I think of other characters like early Nina Webster, 80s Lauren Fenmore-they were variations on this type of character. Even Drucilla Barber, when it came to her early relationship to Olivia (which was steeped in sibling rivalry) vs. her early relationship with Nathan.

 

Those of use who watched 80s/early 90s ATWT know Lucinda Walsh the the very personification of such a character. You could love her one moment, then hate her the very next moment, then feel concerned for her-- sometimes all in the same scene!

 

Today's soap writers just don't seem to know how to do this kind of complexity and it's just one example of how the characterizations and writing in general, for these shows has suffered as a result.

JMO.

Edited February 15, 20178 yr by DramatistDreamer

55 minutes ago, slick jones said:

He could just find his motivation  and have his money - the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

 

I was hoping Devon's desire to educate his GC Buzz audience would provide some purpose but that hasn't been the case. It's easier for Sally to write motivation being success and money for those that aren't born into Newman and abbot families. Look at how she's just started writing Cane. That's familiar to her. His motivations are clear. She's used making Kay proud for Devon but that's very vague and is hard to put into actions that allows him to drive story unlike paper and power chasing with cane.  

I'll still give her time......but stripping Devon of his fortune to help a character he barely knows is NOT a good direction to turn. 

The stuff with Cane is terrible. It's also OOC because Cane was born rich.

 

From the time he was initially introduced through the Phillip reveal the character was a 'regular working stiff' but once Colin and Genevieve were introduced all of that was forgotten.

11 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Because of Sally's interview....and the way the show has consistently written him as incompetent with it and undeserving of it. 

 

But, I'd love to be wrong. 

 

Which still has nothing to do with Colin's stealing from Jill. Devon is no where near this story in any way.

 

Wealthy people losing their money, or company ,is a frequent storyline for the rich people at the head of their families. It would be unusual if it never happened to Devon, but I doubt he would simply give it all away. I would imagine they'd make more of a story out of it.

 

I don't see the big worry. Devon has a second, and even bigger, fortune coming since he's Tucker's only heir. His loss of fortune story would be a freebie. A huge story with only temporary consequences.

I agree that it's silly for Cane to be talking about being born rich and not working for it. But having him as the guy whose got to work for it is trope Sally is familiar with and knows how to use on canvas. So, she will. 

"I HOPE YOU GET FROSTBITE!"

 

I love Jess Walton.

 

1 hour ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

I was hoping Devon's desire to educate his GC Buzz audience would provide some purpose but that hasn't been the case. It's easier for Sally to write motivation being success and money for those that aren't born into Newman and abbot families. Look at how she's just started writing Cane. That's familiar to her. His motivations are clear. She's used making Kay proud for Devon but that's very vague and is hard to put into actions that allows him to drive story unlike paper and power chasing with cane.  

 

Who needs Katherine's money when Devon is gonna inherit A SECOND FORTUNE?! AMIRIGHT?!

Edited February 15, 20178 yr by DeeeDee

I'm sick of soap scenes where all the characters do is tell each other how great they are. Nick and Chelsea do that daily.

 

Chelsea: Nick, you are an amazing father. 

Nick: You know, Chelsea, I'm glad you're in my life.

 

Rinse, repeat.

 

Also Chelsea was showing off her bartending skills like that sh!t was cute but wasn't she a barkeep while rampantly accusing dudes of rape? Get out of here with that nonsense.

 

Or scenes where the characters just talk about each other qualities. ALL of Billy's scenes lately are this. "Billy, you're incorrigible! Grow up, Billy! You're so childish Billy! You slept with Phyllis/cheated on Victoria/are just too much, Billy!". It is boring.

 

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Yesterday someone brought up Jeanne Cooper, mistakenly thinking I was shading her (I wasn't, it was Judith Chapman) but it got me thinking:

 

 

That was me and I thought it was pretty obvious that I was trying to shade Judith Chapman for being a blight on this show right now. In a way it's fascinating that this show has given all the big plot moves to a 60+ year old character with barely there ties to the canvas. It almost feels like a story they wanted to tell 10 years ago.

 

The show isn't unwatchable, it's just not good. It's not actively ruining characters but that's far removed from compelling.

It's still so weird to see Esther & Jill as friends.

I also loved the fact that Lily told Cane to go home.  Not only was he acting like a petulant child, but I noticed he has a habit of pursing his lips like a certain ORANGE person.

28 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

It's still so weird to see Esther & Jill as friends.

I honestly sometimes miss seeing Jill be a snotty bitch to her...haha

Edited February 15, 20178 yr by YRfan23

1 hour ago, DeeeDee said:

"I HOPE YOU GET FROSTBITE!"

 

I love Jess Walton.

 

 

Who needs Katherine's money when Devon is gonna inherit A SECOND FORTUNE?! AMIRIGHT?!

 

I can't believe anyone could be that tone deaf.