24 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

She has half a billion dollars, but she can't find an after hours handyman.

 

This is a perfect summation of post-Heather Tom Victoria Newman.

I was so enthused by Victoria's declaration that she was through with men. I thought they meant it. I didn't think they were having her say it as just an obstacle to another Billy and Victoria reunion.

 

I wanted a Victoria recharged and refocused on work. I saw bringing in Reed as a familial and emotional distraction, not as a living prop to give Billy and Victoria more reason to interact.

 

It's honestly incredibly disappointing.

Edited January 6, 20178 yr by Darn

I'm happy enough with JT as Billy.  I agree his scenes with Traci were good. I hope they'll bring her back more often.  Overall, I'm happy with the show. I'm not expecting the writers to be perfect. I think they could rehab Billy without making Victoria look like she went years without bothering to keep up with Reed's life or like she isn't thrilled to have him here now. It just rubs me the wrong way, but there are a lot more character issues that they are fixing. Sharon being the most critical, imo.

16 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

 

This is a perfect summation of post-Heather Tom Victoria Newman.

Edited January 6, 20178 yr by Juliajms

Why is this show rehabbing the male characters on the backs of the female characters though??  Poor little Faith's back is buckling having to carry Victor's baggage while transforming granpapa's reputation.

54 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

I think they could rehab Billy without making Victoria look like she went years without bothering to keep up with Reed's life or like she isn't thrilled to have him here now.

 

As others have said it would be very easy to have the Newmans (especially Victoria) keep in touch with Reed (considering all the money & resources at their disposal) while still having Reed open up to Billy.

 

It's not as if Billy was some random guy in Reed's life (he was Reed's stepfather off/on for a number of years) & frankly this story would work much better if Y&R had emphasized the Newman family closeness but acknowledged Billy has a special place in an alienated Reed's life as his confidant instead of inventing lame reasons for Billy to randomly insert himself into Victoria's life.

Edited January 6, 20178 yr by DeeeDee

1 hour ago, Darn said:

I was so enthused by Victoria's declaration that she was through with men. I thought they meant it. I didn't think they were having her say it as just an obstacle to another Billy and Victoria reunion.

 

I just am not going to pass judgment on that yet. Judging by what Heinle said in her interview this week they're not jumping back into Billy and Victoria.

Just wait for Monday when Nikki props Billy (but Victoria remains firm in her declaration that she won't get back with him), and then Reed invites him for dinner and Nikki thinks it's a wonderful idea! And then Billy suggests board games! LOL. It's just so ridiculous.

 

Sorry for spoiling some things for Monday but I had to rant and roll my eyes. Just be prepared.

1 hour ago, KMan101 said:

Just wait for Monday when Nikki props Billy (but Victoria remains firm in her declaration that she won't get back with him), and then Reed invites him for dinner and Nikki thinks it's a wonderful idea! And then Billy suggests board games! LOL. It's just so ridiculous.

 

Sorry for spoiling some things for Monday but I had to rant and roll my eyes. Just be prepared.

I've never ever liked Billy and Victoria together. Sussman and Co. are making one hot mess of this show still.

2 hours ago, Vee said:

 

I just am not going to pass judgment on that yet. Judging by what Heinle said in her interview this week they're not jumping back into Billy and Victoria.

 

I don't think they're going to jump into a relationship but this is clearly a way to keep them in each other's orbit and Victoria reliant on Billy because he "gets" Reed. It's simply not what I was looking forward to.

 

Billy dismissing Victoria's concerns that her son wasn't responding to her text messages was just so...argh. Typical garbage soap writing. And Reed being rude and dismissive to his mom after all that praise I gave him the other day. It's just such teen television writing. 

 

And I don't understand why Victoria keeps talking to her son as though he is a houseguest. She keeps talking about "agreeing" to let him stay there like it's such a burden. Aren't we to assume that she saw him on a regular basis off-camera?  Why is she being so weird? I can understand how it would be an inconvenience but the dialogue is really strange here.

 

The problem with Lily is that they're writing her like she is Stephanie Forrester except she is not Devon's mother or Susan Flannery. She comes across like a single-minded bully. Your brother is in the ICU, check your priorities. 

 

If they want her to be this aggressive with Hillary they need to balance out her scenes with her discussing Devohn's condition and how that relates to her and her family.  For instance how would she feel about losing her brother when her family is already so small or her kids losing their uncle? It's lopsided lazy writing.

6 minutes ago, Darn said:

 

 

If they want her to be this aggressive with Hillary they need to balance out her scenes with her discussing Devohn's condition and how that relates to her and her family.  For instance how would she feel about losing her brother when her family is already so small or her kids losing their uncle? It's lopsided lazy writing.

 

Of course it's lopsided. Lily is under the bus for Hilary's redemption just as we predicted weeks ago. And you better believe it'll get worse. It'll be so bad that fans will start to root for Devon to forgive Hilary instead of dump her (for Mariah). 

I feel like Heinle's Victoria talks to everyone who isn't her father or one of the Billys* like they're an inconvenience.

 

* - not David Tom though, because fück him, right, Amelia?

 

And fùck Lily too, btw

Edited January 7, 20178 yr by Vee

Whether you like Lily or not, she's a legacy character that deserves better than to be the heavy for a character that the show allowed Pratt to ruin. 

 

Whether you like CK or not, she's earned her place on this show and deserves better material  and better than playing second to an actress with a small fraction of her years on the show. 

 

And this is the opinion of someone who prefers both MiM and Hilary but fair is fair and common sense is common sense. 

Aside from the occasional bitchy barbs she shoots at Hilary, Lily is not interesting. She won't have a chance at being interesting until and unless they get rid of Cane, assuming a Lily recast is never going to happen.

 

And I'm not going to pretend she is interesting just because of who she should be or should've been ten years ago, I have to deal in the now. Right now, in 2017, Lily is not interesting and that didn't start with Hilary. That started years ago too.

Edited January 7, 20178 yr by Vee

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

Aside from the occasional bitchy barbs she shoots at Hilary, Lily is not interesting. She won't have a chance at being interesting until and unless they get rid of Cane, assuming a Lily recast is never going to happen.

 

And I'm not going to pretend she is interesting just because of who she should be or should've been ten years ago, I have to deal in the now. Right now, in 2017, Lily is not interesting and that didn't start with Hilary. That started years ago too.

 

It doesn't help though that CK and DG both stay RT'ing Lane fans tweets about how they need to remain together, etc. Personally, soap actors who do this are stupid and fail to realize this'll get their characters written off real quick. 

3 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

It doesn't help though that CK and DG both stay RT'ing Lane fans tweets about how they need to remain together, etc. Personally, soap actors who do this are stupid and fail to realize this'll get their characters written off real quick. 

They are boring together. Does Lily do anything for a living? Or she just busy finding out what Hilary is up to? Do Cain and Lily have a life besides being window dressing for Devon and Neil?