Tainted Dreams

[Vee]

I wasn't aware Crystal Chappell had a career path at this point.

[Angela]

Did I miss something? Gossip or something? Has she not been producing lesbian-oriented dramas for the internet for Open Book productions for the past couple of years?

[Vee]

I think we just have a different take on how that work has gone and how she's conducted herself.

[Angela]

I don't know how she's conducted herself. I also haven't watched any of her efforts so far - at least, not for more than a minute. I just read about the products from time to time (ex: Emmy win, soap stars talking about it).

[Vee]

Well, there was the whole Nelson Branco drunk twitter debacle, among several others.

[Angela]

What did I miss? lol. That happened in 2013?

My attention to the daytime world was close to nil for most of 2013, if I'm being completely honest. I tried to get back into it for AMC & OLTL's return but I really couldn't in the end.

[marceline]

Well I'm glad to see you again. Even if you didn't like the returns, I appreciated the information you gave about the viewings on Hulu. It was some of the only hard data we got.

[Angela]

Thanks I've been around here and there in the Prime-time section.

Once a ratings geek, always a ratings geek

I thought the returns were fine. It was me. Not them. I think I had probably been over daytime dramas since 2007-2008 and I just made it a really long funeral. I do have a soft spot in my heart for the genre though so I'd be happy if they can regenerate in a more exciting way that's more prepared & accessible for the current climate in entertainment.

[Soaplovers]

Tainted Dreams: Potential, but something is missing like lighting, acting, and good writing. I think I might have felt differently if the three mini episodes were combined as just one episode. Would have flowed a bit better. Too many people hired because they were soap actors not because they are any good.

Beacon Hill: Looks interesting, but as a gay male, I wish there could be one drama that didn't have gays or lesbians front and center. So last decade

How were the ratings for the revived AMC and OLTL? I know they were decent, but not strong enough to warrant a return on investment, would that be accurate?

[John]

Honestly I believe PP didnt secure nough Money in the first place They only got 25 Mil. I would have made a push for 50plus Mil

Also I feel PP agreeing to paying ABC yearly fees (In Millions) instead of a royality percentage for the shows !@#$%^&*] them too

So I believe the viewership was high but Money wasnt handled properly

[Vee]

I was under the impression the ratings on Hulu were solid, and on OWN they were soft but respectable for that shitty timeslot. And they grew on OWN, as well. The problem is that even with decent numbers it wasn't enough for a swift enough return on PP's investment. I'm not sure anything would have been.

[chicklitsandfantasies]

25 million is a huge amount of money. Telemundo was making telenovelas here in the US for 1 million and getting 6 months worth of episodes out of it(not sure if they increased the budget or not recently) How expensive were the yearly fees to ABC?

[Vee]

They were pretty substantial, which is why they kept trying to get them waived or reduced, including to this day.

The tragedy of it is the shows were (IMO) top-notch production-wise and fresh on many levels, while being produced for a fraction of the money of a network soap, but that was merely the individual productions. Uplevel, at higher management above the two shows, the unrealistic executive scheme seemed to be "turn a huge profit real fast on an online-only platform, dance as fast as we can until then, and get ourselves out of the hole." That's like me trying to write my term papers the day before in college. It's like baling out water with a teacup, it wasn't gonna work that way. It needed a stronger superstructure. The tragedy of my 2013 is that no one was able to make them whole and consistent at the "network" level - in this case, PP as opposed to AMC or OLTL.

[DramatistDreamer]

LOL.

[John]

25 Mil could have worked if they made the shows seasonal from the jump and maybe did 40-50 shows a year. However originally it was 210 then 168 then 110 then 40. So it wasnt planned right plus they had to pay $$$$ to that union cause they went over the agreed amount per episode

I guess AMC shooting 156 pages in a day will do that for u

PP needed someone on Days or familar with the way Cartini ran OLTL to keep the shows under budget. I dont feel these producers could figure that out

The fees were a few million and they increased every year

PP should have negoiated a percentage of the royalities then more monet could have been free for production