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Y&R September Discussion

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Devon has never been interested in business so it wouldn't have made sense to give Chancellor to him either. He doesn't even like working at Jabot.

Nick has never really been interested in it either but they had him do it. And do you think they will shut him out of Victor's will in owning Newman (now CI)? I seriously doubt it.

Fact is that Kay told Devon she would leave him CI. And Devon may not have been interested in business before, but his grandmother's dying and her leaving him CI could have been the thing to change all that. I don't know why people try to pretend that these are real people and that their interest can not change. It's all written.

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Devon is a useless character that needed to be written off years ago along with Cane, Lily and most if not all new characters that are on the show. Y&R only needs the Newmans, Abbotts, Chancellors and secondary vet characters like Paul, Lauren, Michael. I can't stand how big the cast of Y&R is the show needs to get rid of half the cast

This is laughable. I guess the show only need white characters...No people of color are needed (I see you didn't mention Neil in those secondary needed characters)? Please. The show doesn't need the Abbots or the Chancellors either. Proof of that being that no Chancellors have been on the show on a regular basis in almost 30 years (Kay only carried the name). How many times have there only been Jack that was left as the only Abbot on the show. Both he and Billy can go and I don't think the show would suffer (Both are tired or played out characters). The only character that this show actually needs is Victor Newman (who is also played out but his name is synonymous with the brand).

Say what you will about the Winters, but there is a reason that they keep them on. Just like their are many fans who watch this show specifically for the Newmans or Abbots, there are many people who watch this show for the Winters family, myself included. Without them, I would not bother. Quiet as it is kept, black people do like to see themselves in TV too. Although there are some that will watch anything. But then there are many who won't.

That would be way too incestuous

Precisely...

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They made Devon a billionaire for gawds sakes, he can start up his own business & have plenty of power that's what he wanted. I haven't seen 1 comment saying Devon should of received CI. It has nothing to do with race, he's too young and inexperienced to head up Chancellor Industries, that would have been a big joke. Furthermore he's not associated with Katherine on-screen so he can't continue her legacy, or her family, if he's never been associated with any of them. And finally Chancellor Industries was now started by Gary Reynolds and built up by Phillip Chancellor , so what would that have to do with Devon continuing the bloodlines of the company? It's not really his history, it's the history of Mac, Brock, Phillip, Chance and Jill. Devon was part of he 3rd family who spent all of 5 minutes with her, and he cleaned up handsomely, I sure wouldn't complain.

The person who got screwed was Jill. She could, & has, run the company & she's the one who would have made sure it stayed in Kay's family because her family and Kay's were one in the same for 35 years ( until MAB).

The decision to give it to Victor is SEXIST, not racist. Genoa City lost it's only powerful female billionaire and she is replaced with an old man who is already rich & powerful. They wouldn't even allow Jill to be CEO, they gave the job to an inexperienced Cane simply because he was male..The corporate business scenes between Adam, Jack & Jack look like they are out of Saudi Arabia. I would have said Y&R resembled the Mad Men era but even they have female board members and executives who are in the game. Not one woman on the show has any desires or drive other than getting a man and having baby.

The only female beside 's Victoria (who will always be in the shadow of Victor) who had big career aspirations, and the experience to back it up, was Jill. Giving Victor CI means Jill has no reason to exist anymore. She has no contact with her kids, no love life, no career, and soon no home. I'm sure the Chancellor mansion set will soon disappear too since The Great Wall of Katherine at Chancellor Park has been substituted to preserve her memory.mad.gif

Of course you won't see one comment (except from me) that says that Devon should have gotten CI. These same people are up in arms that she left him money despite him being her grandson. Actually having Devon inherit CI and struggling to figure things out could have been good story for him...and he has Neil Winters as a father to mentor him. Yeah, that Neil Winters. The one who ran CI for almost 5 years. Those that say that Devon shouldn't have gotten CI are the same one who say that he doesn't deserve Kay's money...and they are saying it for the same reason. It doesn't fit their agenda.

As for Jill getting screwed. I love Jill. I truly do. But I am sorry, I don't see where the other woman should get anything from Kay. Granted they did love each other but it was a contentious relationship. I just don't think she should have gotten CI. It just wouldn't feel right to me. Sorry. The problem with this with Kay is that they writers didn't have the forethought to see this day coming and set it up. I think they tried with Tucker, but hiring JFP hindered that. She should have recast Tucker months ago....or brought Chance back and had him an actual businessman instead of a soldier...or instead of making Mac a do gooder, have her as a businesswoman. But Jill no. I think the right thing happened with her and the will. I agree that there is sexist writing (Victoria Newman writing children's book...yeah right!!!).

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Yes, that's how I see it as well. It is interesting that the lone female character with independence, vast wealth, and real power, Katherine, has no heir apparent on the show (obviously, this SHOULD be Jill, but for whatever reason the character has faced assassination attempts for a solid decade). Instead, they give it to Victor, a boring choice that doesn't change the dynamic of the show at all.

It's true that they've basically removed any reason for Jill to exist on the show, unless they're somehow sending her on this Swiss journey to discover a secret trust that gives her control of CI or some fortune or some other form of power.

The sad thing is it didn't used to be this way, here's to you Jill Abbott, the only woman to go toe to toe with Victor and get the last word:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chRmoI7DU8M

Go Jill...that clip was flawless.

Jill still have children on the show. She has Billy and her favorite son Cane mad.gif

I agree. They should have always had CI as a major player with employees and an office. But nope. It existed in name only. Neil was only hired there when they wanted to move him away from Victor Newman to give Michael Baldwin a place and story as his right hand man.

ITA that this show has plenty of sexist writing (Victoria as exhibit A). But let's not pretend like it doesn't have racist writing as well (Neil Winters still working for someone. Even this new clothing line must be under the Jabot umbrella).

IMO, there is room for companies other than Jabot and Newman. Fenmore's should get some new competition from some other family and spark a new rivalry. Let Fenmores and Jabot pair up against Newman and this new company. But for some reasons, the writers only want to focus on Jabot versus Newman. And I am tired of all things Newman and Abbot myself. I know people don't like newbies but they are a breath of fresh air.

+1.

Glad someone else sees this for what it is...

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the way I see it is very simple why Kay left Victor her company she knew others in GC would try and take over her company just like Tucker did so she left it to the one person who always had her back and that's Victor.Jack and Adam proved Kay right when Adam with Jack in his ear tried to get the company which Victor already owned. Also remember Victor helped her get the company back from Tucker. So Kay was 100% right in leaving her company to Victor who by the way if it wasn't for his kids and Jack's meddling in the lawsuit would of never taken Newman public and still would own the company privately.

Kay is dead so it doesn't really matter to her who owns the company and it keeps Jill, Cane and others in her family from killing each other for the company. Let Victor go to war with her company against Jack and Adam but Kay's family won' t have to deal with that burden. as for Devon and Caner they can't even tie his own shoes without Neil and Lily so if they were left CI Jack and Adam would already own the company before the will reading was read. Victor getting Chancellor makes the most sense and it helps make storylines more interesting. I also stand by the fact that Devon is a useless character that adds nothing to the show and him owning CI would a joke. I just hope he takes his 2 billion and rides off into the sunset.

More interesting to whom? You? I would rather see Jill owning it and fighting to good fight in Kay's honor to keep it. Victor is not the only person capable of keeping Jack, the eternal loser, and Adam, the sociopath, from getting CI. Jill is more than qualified...and I do stand by not wanting her to have it but I could accept that more than Victor.

I just wish this whole thing was a set up just so Victor would somehow lose Chancellor, but Victor and EB always gets his way,so that won't happen.....

He might actually lose it to Jill. One can only hope though. Or give it to her as directed by Kay when the storm passes. But then that is just lazy writing. Ensuring that no one gets story but a Newman and an Abbot.

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Nick has never really been interested in it either but they had him do it. And do you think they will shut him out of Victor's will in owning Newman (now CI)? I seriously doubt it.

Fact is that Kay told Devon she would leave him CI. And Devon may not have been interested in business before, but his grandmother's dying and her leaving him CI could have been the thing to change all that. I don't know why people try to pretend that these are real people and that their interest can not change. It's all written.

Either way you spin it Devon gaining control of CI would be a joke. We already complain about Cane acting as CEO but Devon has even less experience than him. The only deserving one is Jill but everyone knew they werent going to just hand her CI because she needs something to be angry about.

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Either way you spin it Devon gaining control of CI would be a joke. We already complain about Cane acting as CEO but Devon has even less experience than him. The only deserving one is Jill but everyone knew they werent going to just hand her CI because she needs something to be angry about.

The complaint about Cane is that he is an imposter. People didn't have a problem with him when they thought he was P3. The problem only arose when he was outed but the writers chose to have Kay and Jill still up his butt after he had made a fool of them. Jill and Kay are many things, but weak, spineless, and accepting of anyone who had preyed upon them, they were NOT. Devon, on the other hand, everyone knows exactly who he is. It is not the same as Cane. But people will complain. Why? Because it doesn't fit their agenda. Young people inherit companies and money they are ill equipped to handle all the time. And the struggle to figure it out. That would have been a realistic and entertaining story (that I mean to people who are open to it goes without saying. Because let's be real. There are folks who will never accept it and call it and Devon boring no matter how he is written...mainly because it fits their agenda. Every soap watcher has favorites and agendas).

I actually think the idea that Jill is the only "deserving one" is a joke. She might be the only one capable on screen with any decent ties Kay...but that doesn't make her "deserving".

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More interesting to whom? You? I would rather see Jill owning it and fighting to good fight in Kay's honor to keep it. Victor is not the only person capable of keeping Jack, the eternal loser, and Adam, the sociopath, from getting CI. Jill is more than qualified...and I do stand by not wanting her to have it but I could accept that more than Victor.

He might actually lose it to Jill. One can only hope though. Or give it to her as directed by Kay when the storm passes. But then that is just lazy writing. Ensuring that no one gets story but a Newman and an Abbot.

I actually had an idea on how Victor would lose it, based off of a rumor I heard, but unfortunately I don't want to give details away since it's spoilerish......but it would be a pretty good story.

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Either way you spin it Devon gaining control of CI would be a joke.

No more than Nick running Newman.

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No more than Nick running Newman.

Exactly...no more than when Nick was barely out of college and The writers chose him to run it over Victoria, causing an incensed HT to jump ship. But that's fine though. Because his last name is Newman. It seems to me like family ties only matter when it is a Newman or Abbot.

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They should put all Newbies along with Cane, Lily Devon in Neils plane and have it crash killing them all off

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