I'll go first:

B&B

- While not perfect, the show is currently in the best shape it's been in since 2003.

Y&R

- Genie Francis is terrific as Genevieve Atkinson. I know she wasn't well liked in her first few months on her show, but I'm currently watching June 2011 episodes and I LOVE her campy take on the character, despite the overall wretchedness of the storyline. Although I never saw Francis on GH, so I don't have that to compare it to. I'd love to see her on B&B in a Sally Spectra/Jackie Marone type role.

- Phyllis is one of very few characters to actually flourish under MAB (save for the Lucy custody madness). And of course, I still consider La Stafford to be the best actress in daytime.

- Maura West was AT LEAST as miscast as Diane as Shari Shattuck was as Ashley.

That's what I don't get about all the Davetta love, really. She might've been more street than CK, but just because she's more street doesn't mean she's an outstanding actress. "Better than Christel" is still not good enough, IMO.

Davetta didn't need to be amazing, the sheer fact that she looked and acted like she could have came from Dru was enough to justify both her casting and her contract with Y&R. Nothing about Khalil says that she is Dru's daughter, she has no resemblance to her mother (in all capacities) to the extent that you could never buy a relationship ever existed between them. This by itself may not be a deal breaker but in an isolated, insular black family that only plays off each other scene for scene it's a major problem.

Edited March 1, 201213 yr by Skin

I would have written Neil out a long time ago. I don't like the character, I never really have, I don't think Kristoff has has chemistry with most of his leading ladies, and since Victoria Rowell is unlikely to return and Lily exists solely for Cane, his only real purpose now is the Devon story. If not for knowing Y&R will never create any new minority families I would say write out the Winters, except maybe Devon.

The way I saw it, she got progressively worse from the beginning to the end of her stint. In her final weeks she looked bored and clearly didn't want to be there.

I can't with you right now. somebody who likes Susuk(ms) as Colleen.

I can't with you right now. somebody who likes Susuk(ms) as Colleen.

Defensive, much?

Lily needs to be written out for a while. Build up Roxanne as the new AA heroine and Devon/Roxy as the new supercouple.

Davetta didn't need to be amazing, the sheer fact that she looked and acted like she could have came from Dru was enough to justify both her casting and her contract with Y&R. Nothing about Khalil says that she is Dru's daughter, she has no resemblance to her mother (in all capacities) to the extent that you could never buy a relationship ever existed between them. This by itself may not be a deal breaker but in an isolated, insular black family that only plays off each other scene for scene it's a major problem.

Pretty much.

And given the way she was treated & then fired it's understandable that that might affect her last performances (even though they were really good).

I would have written Neil out a long time ago.

Kristoff & Neil are fine.

However neither the actor nor the character have gotten the kind of respect they both deserve in years.

But this is Maria/Hogan's Y&R where being a vet doesn't matter.

Davetta didn't need to be amazing, the sheer fact that she looked and acted like she could have came from Dru was enough to justify both her casting and her contract with Y&R. Nothing about Khalil says that she is Dru's daughter, she has no resemblance to her mother (in all capacities) to the extent that you could never buy a relationship ever existed between them. This by itself may not be a deal breaker but in an isolated, insular black family that only plays off each other scene for scene it's a major problem.

This is kind of a complicated issue. It's not so much a question of either Lily being more "believable" as Dru's daughter, because human beings are not so black and white, pun intended. A parent and child can be extremely close and still seem, on the surface at least, very dissimilar. I speak from personal experience, and I don't mean just looks but also demeanor. The REAL issue is the show's preference for Lily to be a, for all intents and purposes, white young heroine who is only black when her father is in the room. In Hollywood, CK's type is "ethnically ambiguous-as white", like Jennifer Beals. Television chooses more often than not to cast black female leads with looks and/or speech that "inoffensively" tip "white".

Edited March 1, 201213 yr by SFK

Davetta didn't need to be amazing, the sheer fact that she looked and acted like she could have came from Dru was enough to justify both her casting and her contract with Y&R. Nothing about Khalil says that she is Dru's daughter, she has no resemblance to her mother (in all capacities) to the extent that you could never buy a relationship ever existed between them.

Basically.

I think it's safe to say that I and other then-viewers didn't need DS to be the second coming of Viola Davis. All we wanted was someone who'd inhabit the role of the fabulous Dru's daughter and Davetta passed that test with flying colors.

The fact that we're discussing her five years after she was let go confirms that she made a lasting impression as Lily (a.k.a.: mini-Dru) in a way that Christel Khalil never will.

I think it's safe to say that I and other then-viewers didn't need DS to be the second coming of Viola Davis.

Which is good, since I'm still not used to the first coming yet.

Yeah. I said it.

But I do see everyone's point about DS not needing to be brilliant, per se. I don't know if I can totally agree -- again (and by the way, this is coming from one who is NOT a CK fan by any stretch), I need more than authenticity, for lack of a better word, I also need genuine talent -- but I think I get it.

Which is good, since I'm still not used to the first coming yet.

Yeah. I said it.

But I do see everyone's point about DS not needing to be brilliant, per se. I don't know if I can totally agree -- again (and by the way, this is coming from one who is NOT a CK fan by any stretch), I need more than authenticity, for lack of a better word, I also need genuine talent -- but I think I get it.

Understandable.

Then again, as I said earlier in this thread, soaps are a guilty pleasure of mine. I don't expect top-notch Emmy-worthy acting to get me through an episode, but I do expect to find the actors/characters onscreen likeable enough for me to overlook their shortcoming of talent. For me, DS succeeded with that, while CK has not.

Dru notwithstanding, have fans ever criticized the believability of CK's Lily being Neil's daughter? I'm guessing folks have less of a problem buying that. Did you all ever watch Being Bobby Brown and see his daughter LaPrincia? I'm sure a lot of people were surprised that such a "Valley Girl" was BB's daughter.

Dru notwithstanding, have fans ever criticized the believability of CK's Lily being Neil's daughter? I'm guessing folks have less of a problem buying that. Did you all ever watch Being Bobby Brown and see his daughter LaPrincia? I'm sure a lot of people were surprised that such a "Valley Girl" was BB's daughter.

I wasn't because I knew coming in to BBB that LaPrincia was primarily raised by her mother (though I was surprised to see that she was the more confident sister, while BK was a lot more insecure). No matter who she was raised by, I'd have no issue in believing her to be Bobby's daughter because there was a natural (though not as close) rapport between the two. CK Lily lacks that in a way that is startling, IMO, which is why I was beyond happy that they chose a recast that had that natural rapport with her parents/Devon.

I wasn't because I knew coming in to BBB that LaPrincia was primarily raised by her mother (though I was surprised to see that she was the more confident sister, while BK was a lot more insecure). No matter who she was raised by, I'd have no issue in believing her to be Bobby's daughter because there was a natural (though not as close) rapport between the two. CK Lily lacks that in a way that is startling, IMO, which is why I was beyond happy that they chose a recast that had that natural rapport with her parents/Devon.

not to mention LaPrincia looks exactly like Bobby. There was no mistaking him as her dad

have fans ever criticized the believability of CK's Lily being Neil's daughter?

Yes. They have.

B&B:

Eric & Stephanie are by far the best couple the show has ever had.

Jacqueline MacInnes Wood is a good actress and brings a lot to the show.

I never liked Sally until around year 2000. Before I thought she was a pain and was much worse than she accused the Forresters of being.

Ridge was at his best with Caroline. No one else was better for him. I would like him with Karen now, with Joanna Johnson back full term.

Bill Spencer is awesome.

I watch B&B because of Eric & Stephanie. I would not watch the show if they were not on.

Never liked Macy, only when she was paired with Deacon. Macy & Deacon were terrific.

Never liked the Logan family. Hypocrits and bores.

Hope is one of the worst characters ever.

Felicia, Thorne and Kristen should be back on contract.

Never liked Sheila, not even as the show's psycho.

Loving that B&B is getting rid of Lesley-Anne Down, Brandon Beemer. Not upset that Jack Wagner is gone either.

Liam is not worth 2 pretty girls fighting for him.

Amber & Thomas were a nice couple.

Hating Pam & Donna, their fights are NOT amusing at all.

GH:

Happy that Robin is gone.

Sonny & Carly (Laura Wright) is the best couple on the show.

I prefer Luke with Tracy any day over Laura.

Dante just should go away.

Never seen the fascination with Jason.

Elizabeth is the most boring character.

Jerry Jacks is one of the best characters.

Loving the mobster stories.

DAYS:

Sami should be with Lucas.

Chloe & Philip were a terrific couple.

Hating John & Marlena.

Would not miss Bo & Hope.

The show can be extremely embarrassing/lame.

Y&R:

Hating Nikki. Find nothing interesting about her.

Nick & Phyllis is much much better than Nick/Sharon & Jack/Phyllis.

Liked Jack & Sharon together.

Dislike Kevin.

B&B is better than Y&R.