I'll go first:

B&B

- While not perfect, the show is currently in the best shape it's been in since 2003.

Y&R

- Genie Francis is terrific as Genevieve Atkinson. I know she wasn't well liked in her first few months on her show, but I'm currently watching June 2011 episodes and I LOVE her campy take on the character, despite the overall wretchedness of the storyline. Although I never saw Francis on GH, so I don't have that to compare it to. I'd love to see her on B&B in a Sally Spectra/Jackie Marone type role.

- Phyllis is one of very few characters to actually flourish under MAB (save for the Lucy custody madness). And of course, I still consider La Stafford to be the best actress in daytime.

- Maura West was AT LEAST as miscast as Diane as Shari Shattuck was as Ashley.

Except there really haven't been any big mob stories in years unless I guess you call the stupid Balkan story a mob story. Frankly it still all seems repetitive. No one cares about Franco they haven't since the day he showed up and Jasons brain issues have been off and on for many years. Add in that Jason and Sam are like watching a turtle in a sprint. I don't get the appeal of them anymore like at all. I think they were onto something diff with Sonny and Dante until it was just again the same old Sonny is just really a nice misunderstood guy BS.

Yep. And if we're going by this logic and saying RC isnt doing mob stories than GW didn't do any either. As far as I'm concerned if it's about the people in the mob, it's a mob story!

I don't see any difference between FV/RC's mob writing and Guza's. Sonny has the same story Guza gave him ten times.

I was thinking more about how on OLTL, there was no mob, though.

The LPD was also often written to be smarter (by daytime standards, at least) than the PCPD.

I was thinking more about how on OLTL, there was no mob, though.

The LPD was also often written to be smarter (by daytime standards, at least) than the PCPD.

Smarter? I remember Mcbain being similar to Jason and breaking the law whenever he deemed fit! And for someone who used to be a lawyer RC sure can't write law stories.

Smarter? I remember Mcbain being similar to Jason and breaking the law whenever he deemed fit! And for someone who used to be a lawyer RC sure can't write law stories.

Well, maybe they were just treated with more respect by the writers than the PCPD, I dunno.

But yes, even with the argument that trial stuff on TV can't go on forever, I've always heard people say that RC's law stories leave a lot to be desired.

Here's three soap theme song UOs:

1. The ATWT 1993-1999 theme song? Love it.

2. The Y&R porn theme? Love it too. (Why do they still use it on the bumpers years later? That confuses me.)

3. The GL Disco theme? Yep. (ditto the 1996 jazz version of Hold on to Love)

Edited April 16, 201213 yr by MissLlanviewPA

I think the lack of shootings and such is more about lack of budget than a deliberate decision to move away from it. Wolf didn't really do anything like shootings and such. I think when people say mob they mean the endless repetitive stories for the same 3 people. 15 years nonstop on the FB is enough.

oh I don't doubt that budget has played a big role in things but it is what it is. The show currently isn't as mob centric as it used to be

Yep. And if we're going by this logic and saying RC isnt doing mob stories than GW didn't do any either. As far as I'm concerned if it's about the people in the mob, it's a mob story!

No one said RV isn't doing min stories and the comparison has been to Guza not GW

Edited April 16, 201213 yr by Cheap21

*sigh*

The fact that John McBain is on this show and isn't kissing the asses of the PC citizens (who have been browbeaten into accepting mob rule) speaks volumes as to how Cartini's writing is an improvement over what Guza shat out.

I was thinking more about how on OLTL, there was no mob, though.

The LPD was also often written to be smarter (by daytime standards, at least) than the PCPD.

They werent a constant force but he's had the mob on OLTL. Cole and Stare had a story featuring the Russian mob

John's reasons for disliking the mob mostly just amount to a dead sister, and he has little problem hanging around a longtime mob moll. As always most of the anti-mob talk is on the surface and the mobsters have done little in way of actual crimes, according to the show.

John's motivation doesn't matter to me one iota. Long as he keeps the hate going strong and isn't playing by the same rules that the PC folk have resigned themselves to, then I am good.

I think that RC/FV are doing good work at GH. Is it perfect? Nope. But it's lightyears ahead of Guza and GW.

I tend to think it's unpopular to not see them as perfect.

I think that RC/FV are doing good work at GH. Is it perfect? Nope. But it's lightyears ahead of Guza and GW.

I can't speak on GW, but you're absolutely correct about RC/FV being light years ahead of Guza.

I tend to think it's unpopular to not see them as perfect.

Ida. On sites like DC yes because they are cheerleaders but I don't see overall gushing for them like you had with them on OLTL.

And I know this is unpopular but structurally I think bob Guza was a better writer. I felt he knew for the most part how to build and craft a story and he was actually more effective under Better leadership like Wendy Riche. He just never should have had any creative control over the show. I think Carlivati has a lot of problems with story primarily letting them Peter out and not playing climaxes and fallout well.

Edited April 16, 201213 yr by JaneAusten

I tend to think it's unpopular to not see them as perfect.

I agree!! That seems to be the unpopular opinion as many are hailnig whatever crap they put out as soap opera gold

I don't think they're perfect, but I think they are much better than previous regimes.