Wouldnt you actually need Cassadines and Luke and Laura on canvas to entice those fans back?

JMO, GH is trying to use Laura's portrait as stand-in again while they try to get Genie back. If they get Genie back they have the core Spencers back together. But Guza decimated Luke & Laura and the Cassidines, too, so there is a huge challenge I don't think GW is up to in rebuilding there.

I think you are right too many broken promises and your audience loses faith. Their audience is what it is now. I don't see them getting any significant ratings rises. If their heavily publicized wedding for their leading man could do nothing I doubt anything can at this point.

JFP, GW and even some actors have taken to begging fans to trust them again and the response has been NO WAY.

I used to like Jason and Sam, so this wedding was targeted at me. But it was more of the same boring writing that drove me to give up on these two.

What gets me is that the Luke/Laura history is just used as an excuse for why Luke is a failure and a loser. Luke and Tracy have a lot of fans. There's no reason why the show can't write for them as a solid couple. There's no reason why Luke has to be a huge burden to his family and his wife, causing them more pain each year. Geary may just feel that people need to accept this as reality, or they are stuck in the past. But there is no entertainment value in this. This might be a fascinating subject for an IFC short film. That's about it.

I've been a Luke/Geary fan since the 70s and absolutely despise the destruction of his character into a morose, repulsive drunkard who doesn't care about his kids or loved ones. Most Luke fans I know despise this Luke and aren't fans of Tracy enabling him all the way either.

I'm a long time fan who was burned way too many times by GH so it's going to a lot to get me watching this show again. But I want to. I still visit the boards and look for signs that GH has changed. But I don't see any significant changes. I want a massive overhaul and I want the huge mistakes corrected and/or acknowledged. But I don't have a lot of hope that they will. They need another Gloria Monty to save this show and I don't think that's happening.

I've been a Luke/Geary fan since the 70s and absolutely despise the destruction of his character into a morose, repulsive drunkard who doesn't care about his kids or loved ones. Most Luke fans I know despise this Luke and aren't fans of Tracy enabling him all the way either.

But Tony likes this Luke and the producers and writers let him have his way - dam# the fans. IMO, this is not a good way to run a show.

TeamEric I think problem with GH is first JFP sounds desperate. This is the same woman years and years ago at OLTL who gave middle finger to the fans and said her vision was happening no matter what. She sounds desperate. The problem I have with Garin Wolf. Its kind of like when AMC went from Pratt to Donna/David. It went from destructive/horrid to now just merely BORING. The show has better dialogue, its a bit lighter in tone, Monica is back but the show is just very DULL. That's the big problem its not offensive. Honestly what GH needed IMO was a new executive producer. ABC letting JFP keep her job only further shows they could care less about it. They brought back NuKate, the actress is okay but she is on so much. IMO the only way for GH to reclaim any glory is bringing back the woman who brought show glory years would be Wendy Riche. Wendy IMO wouldn't work in ABC micromanaged environment. Woman was a true visionary who battled network presidents for years and she was very tough. GH is just so BORING right now. Its funny GH got way more fanfare with Garin's arrival and how this was a new GH. Its tanking.

Wow Lots of people not feeling GH. Is it safe to say it's truly gone in 2012?

Wow Lots of people not feeling GH. Is it safe to say it's truly gone in 2012?

Unless ABC brings back Wendy Riche or another visionary producer, yes GH is toast in 2012.

Wow Lots of people not feeling GH. Is it safe to say it's truly gone in 2012?

GH was done as soon as Katie Couric got her deal.

The thing I've always found puzzling about GH is that while I understand how the classic fans hated it, for a long time they still had fans who apparently liked the dark/mob stuff. Now they've lost that "new" base.

That's what I've noticed too. My handful of friends I mentioned who did watch GH and only GH and have nearly all said that they can no longer watch it cuz it's all mob, actually nearly all became fans during the Pratt/Guza era (no accounting for taste I guess ). So that stuff was a draw to them at some point--but the consensus seems to be that it's just been an endless repetition now.

If The Chew fails, GH might not be dead.

ATWT got no promotion whatsoever while GL got news coverage everywhere on TV and a 60 minutes piece as well. That's why ATWT numbers didnt jump. My mom an avid viewer didnt even know it was cancelled until after the show had ended.

We have had drops off and on for months about big actors at GH being gone and significant backstage changes and that even Frank Valentini was potentially taking over as EP. IF they had any real interest in saving this show you'd see massive shifts backstage and with the cast. None of that has happened so I think ABC pretty much has just said status quo. People talk about how bad AMC was in terms of being gutted and yes they did ruin the show a lot by focusing 90 percent of their airtime on 4 characters, but they also had almost enough left to salvage and produce decent closure to the show. AS much as I hate back from the dead, they corrected the 2 major mistakes, Stuart and Dixie and there was enough ties to the past not killed off to restore some semblence of AMC back to the show at the end.

It's interesting to hear now how vehemently Nixon was against the idea of Stuart's death (rightly so), but of course apparently by that time her advice was completely unwanted and ignored (what a frustrating feeling that must have been for her). I still have issue with a lot of the Orpheus story, but in a way it does ake sense for what they wanted to do.

Anyway, I do agree with you--even hiring Gary Wolfe seems like a "we'll just use this cheaper newbie HW while the show dies away" idea, more than actuallyw anting to train a younger, untried as HW, talent. (It reminds me a bit of when Frons first came to ABC and bumped Rayfield to HW for AMC for about half a year, while he went out shopping around for a new HW--McTavish in the end--except this time he doesn't seem to be looking for anyone to eventually fill the position).

Of course that's how it seemed with ATWT too, everyone seemed to want Passanante and Goutman out, but PGP seemed happy to keep them there till the show was canceled. That said, when Lorraine Broderick was hired as AMC's HW in the Spring again, most of us took that as a sign of faith in trying,. at least once more, to bring the show back to what it was--and then two weeks later we got the cancelation announcement.

Wow Lots of people not feeling GH. Is it safe to say it's truly gone in 2012?

I've watched GH since I was in elementary school. I saw Luke & Laura get married live, as my mother let me come home from school early that day. I've loyally watched through many a stupid story and many an unwanted pairing. That being said- unless GH completely revamps itself, I wish they'd just cancel the show already. It's not even close to 1/4 the show I used to love. And trust me, it took a lot for me to turn the channel but even I had a breaking point.

So happy that AMC went out with a bang. Even though I'm so sad to see it gone, I'm thrilled that it went out as the classy, character driven, family oriented soap that it was for a good part of its life (save the last few years). The fact that it was able to finish at #2 is huge. Congrats, AMC.

I am beyond thrilled that AMC did so well its final week! Can't wait to see what it looks like when it comes back in January!!!!!

I thought AMC would do better but the soap has dropped a lot over the last two years. It is also interesting to note that B&B is no longer a safe bet as the number two soap--OLTL tied Bold in HHs the previous week. It really would not suprise me to see OLTL consistantly tie or even beat bleeding B&B until it's close in January.

I wonder why CBS has been willing to keep Y&R and B&B when they don't even own the shows. Frons suggested that OLTL and AMC were loosing money even though they were network owned so how can CBS be making any money off the Bell shows--Y&R has a large budget and has been weak in demos for almost two years? I sometimes wonder if CBS still tries to sell based on HH ratings like when Mooves first took control. He spoke a lot about demos not being important to CBS and, even today, the network carries the oldest viewership in addition to strong demos. It seems like CBS tries to make shows that please everyone as opposed to chicken hawking.