1 minute ago, Vee said:

No? Why not? I'm not challenging it, I'm genuinely curious; I was under the impression they were schemers and fuckbuddies somewhere in that span. Heather got out in late '80, right?

Unless I'm wrong, Scott was off canvas by the time that Heather came back. By the time Scott returned, Jason (and Franco) was born. Don't get me wrong, I'm not automatically opposed to a Scott and Heather child, but to try and have it have happened in that time frame doesn't work for me.

Just now, Franko said:

Unless I'm wrong, Scott was off canvas by the time that Heather came back. By the time Scott returned, Jason (and Franco) was born. Don't get me wrong, I'm not automatically opposed to a Scott and Heather child, but to try and have it have happened in that time frame doesn't work for me.

Well, I think you can easily fudge the exact year. If they said 1980/1981 onscreen then they were being stupid, because yes, Scott didn't get back to town til Luke and Laura's wedding, pretty late in the year. I just assumed it was anywhere between '81 and '83.

Just now, Vee said:

Well, I think you can easily fudge the exact year. If they said 1980/1981 onscreen then they were being stupid, because yes, Scott didn't get back to town til Luke and Laura's wedding, pretty late in the year. I just assumed it was anywhere between '81 and '83.

According to Wikipedia, so grains of salt ... "Back when Laura had requested a divorce from Scott, he was consumed with anger and grief, and had gotten intoxicated at Kelly's one night. Heather, who was also drunk, had found him there, and that is when Franco was conceived."

2 minutes ago, Franko said:

According to Wikipedia, so grains of salt ... "Back when Laura had requested a divorce from Scott, he was consumed with anger and grief, and had gotten intoxicated at Kelly's one night. Heather, who was also drunk, had found him there, and that is when Franco was conceived."

Lord. Didn't she send him a decree that Lee burned or something? While he was out of town? Wasn't that key plot material?

Edited February 24, 20223 yr by Vee

Just now, Vee said:

Lord. Didn't she send him a decree that Lee burned or something? While he was out of town? Wasn't that key plot material?

It was, yes. For this to work (and that's a big "for"), Scott would have to have been living incognito in Port Charles (not outside the realm of possibility) at the time he hooked up with Heather. Personally, I'd prefer if Franco (who I forgot *isn't* Jason's twin, so my parentage objection is now voided) was conceived in 1983 and born in 1984.

Just now, Franko said:

It was, yes. For this to work (and that's a big "for"), Scott would have to have been living incognito in Port Charles (not outside the realm of possibility) at the time he hooked up with Heather. Personally, I'd prefer if Franco (who I forgot *isn't* Jason's twin, so my parentage objection is now voided) was conceived in 1983 and born in 1984.

It would've been so easy to say the latter. The error's just dumb.

3 hours ago, Vee said:

If you can fix on a point in the characters' onscreen lives where they were not, say, in frontburner A-story, then retconning new stuff into a past era is not a big deal IMO.

I disagree.  I think it has to happen when the character(s) are offscreen, out of town and away from the audience's attention, or else you look like a hack who never bothered studying the show.

Edited February 24, 20223 yr by Khan

I'm going to throw a new wrinkle into this conversation. What if a retcon takes place during a SORAS interim? Let's say you have a character who goes from ages 8-18 in a one-year span, but then 20 years down the line, it comes out that something significant happened when they were 13. Where do we stand on that one?

10 hours ago, Franko said:

According to Wikipedia, so grains of salt ... "Back when Laura had requested a divorce from Scott, he was consumed with anger and grief, and had gotten intoxicated at Kelly's one night. Heather, who was also drunk, had found him there, and that is when Franco was conceived."

What a crock!!!! The reason why Heather tried to drive Diana crazy was because she could not conceive another child, yet she conceived Franco with Scott!!! This show!!!

On 2/8/2022 at 12:04 PM, MissPalmer said:

About Laura....I read some time ago that her first tape day was 28 December 1976 and her first airdate was on 4th January 1977....Does anyone know anything about this?...Wikipedia is wrong a lot of times, and it is not the 8th February 1977.....

Link?

On 2/23/2022 at 8:14 PM, Franko said:

I'm going to throw a new wrinkle into this conversation. What if a retcon takes place during a SORAS interim? Let's say you have a character who goes from ages 8-18 in a one-year span, but then 20 years down the line, it comes out that something significant happened when they were 13. Where do we stand on that one?

Like a lot of these types of things, it depends on how good they tell the story and the characters involved.

I could believe something like let’s say Victoria or Nick Newman having a long lost friend from boarding school back in the 90’s when they were all young, and that leading to story when they reappear, maybe even some mild secrets of misspent youth while the new character is actually here for revenge for some perceived slight.  I am less likely to believe either one of them killed someone while offscreen or had a baby.  However, I would totally believe that AJ could have gotten someone pregnant on GH while at boarding school, but he’s dead so no point now.  It’s all in how well does it fit them when we met them as SORASed characters and what they do with the opening.

9 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

Like a lot of these types of things, it depends on how good they tell the story and the characters involved.

I could believe something like let’s say Victoria or Nick Newman having a long lost friend from boarding school back in the 90’s when they were all young, and that leading to story when they reappear, maybe even some mild secrets of misspent youth while the new character is actually here for revenge for some perceived slight.  I am less likely to believe either one of them killed someone while offscreen or had a baby.  However, I would totally believe that AJ could have gotten someone pregnant on GH while at boarding school, but he’s dead so no point now.  It’s all in how well does it fit them when we met them as SORASed characters and what they do with the opening.

Thanks! AJ was actually who I was thinking of when I thought about that question.

On 2/23/2022 at 6:04 PM, Khan said:

I disagree.  I think it has to happen when the character(s) are offscreen, out of town and away from the audience's attention, or else you look like a hack who never bothered studying the show.

I agree with this. 

 

There has to be some wiggle room. Otherwise, it does look like the writers do not know their history. 

You'll notice, though, that in the examples that @titan1978 gave, the characters involved (Y&R's Nick and Victoria, GH's AJ) were away at boarding school and not living at home.  I think that's the key: if it happened during those SORAS'ed years when a character is (said to have been) out of town, then you might have leeway.  But, if the show in question is operating under the assumption that that character has spent his/her entire childhood IN town, being raised by his/her parents or guardians, then it gets sticky.

One good (or bad, depending on how you look at it) example would be GL's Ben Reade, who was revealed to have been molested while attending school outside Springfield.  Unfortunately, the revelation came during the climax of the Garden of Eden storyline, as a means of explaining why Ben would have murdered all those prostitutes.  Now, if GL had been committed to telling a RESPONSIBLE story about the long-term effects that being molested could have on someone like Ben Reade WITHOUT the nasty serial killer angle, then I probably wouldn't have objected (or objected as strongly), because, in that case, it's established that the molestation had occurred during a period when Ben was away from SF.  But, if you'd told me it had happened while he was still IN SF, featured regularly, or that (God forbid) Fletcher was the one who molested him...?  Well, now you've got a problem, lol.

Edited February 25, 20223 yr by Khan

I saw.  

 

Heck, Spencer is a recent addition to that list. His return continues to be bearing fruit. In his absence from the screen, suspicion of the stalker was not on him (except for eagle viewers here so I know I was not the only one who thought him outside of Ryan). And once he returned, we have history with him in contact in Ryan off screen, his relationship with Esme who continue to be a menace, and his presence recharging the teen set since Trina did not know the history while Joss and Cameron did, allowing for a light story before they dived in the stalker story more. And who knows what other hidden history that might come up (like Esme's fascination with Ryan off screen aka hidden history).

 

All of which (so far) seem plausible. 

Edited February 25, 20223 yr by Taoboi