Enough of this crap. I've resigned to the fact the OLTL will be gone come this January. If the show lives on with PP....great, I'll be there. If it's done, so be it. I've enjoyed my 37 years of watching this show. My only hope is that it ends on a high note and not get the crappy ending AMC got. No offense to AMC fans.

The backstage drama at the soaps have sadly often proved juicier than the onscreen stories.

I've said all along PP seemed more interested in gaining OLTL's audience than producing a better quality show.

I wonder if they want ALL the audience. That 10% figure just keeps nagging at me. Then I go look at OLTL's facebook page and see that 420,000 people like that page, and over 10,000 are talking about OLTL right now (not sure where that measure comes from but . . . ) and it makes you kind of wonder. They're not saving the soaps for the fans. They're doing it to get to the viewers with their advertisements. The online portion of the total audience has always been very small relative to the overall viewing audience. But they're also the most highly invested and tech savvy portion of the audience. Social Networking has changed advertising and marketing strategies and it's still on a development curve. Maybe that is the audience they are trying to appeal to.

My only hope is that it ends on a high note and not get the crappy ending AMC got. No offense to AMC fans.

Unfortunately, I think our ending will be worse as a function of Carlivati having more time to screw it up than was available to AMC, and by virtue of PP seemingly being more invested in OLTL from the beginning. They do not see this as a conclusion, so I think we will be left hanging. Tina and Cord got their happy ending. I think Rex and Gigi and Shane will. Maybe Clint and Viki and Bo and Nora. But that's it.

Edited November 18, 201114 yr by rhinohide

PP is a very small production company. Looking at the corporate profile they have 23 employees. Smaller companies can't go toe-to-toe with huge corporations so they tend to employ different tactics and strategies like finding a niche. PP doesn't have 24 hours, 7 days a week of programming that has to be filled. They don't have affiliates to keep happy. While I agree, that 10% number made me scratch my head, especially given the $160,000/episode cost of production they also gave in that article. But I do remember that Starz was dancing in the streets when Spartacus hit 500,000 viewers and proclaimed it their most successful series ever at that time. I presume the production costs for Spartacus were higher than for OLTL.

I don't have enough information to provide a intelligent analysis of their business proposition. But depending on how their revenue stream is structured, if I were a media buyer for a company like AT&T or Verizon, or Apple, or any number of technology firms, or somebody who is in the business of creating apps, I would be all over this. The value of advertising on television has been in steady decline for years, while the costs have increased. Advertisers are always looking for better ways to reach their target and get the most bang for their buck. I can see this being the wave of the future. Possibly. And the big broadcasters also have a vested interest in its success, because they are always looking for the next area for expansion, and it's great from their standpoint to let some smaller company take the risk and develop the niche, because they can always quickly attack that niche once it's proven.

I do agree with you but the companies like AT&T, Verizon, etc are already in bed with companies like google, youtube, netflix etc plus those companies are trying to start there own thing also with the added bonus of having big name celebrities involved in projects. PP isn't the only one doing original online programming, can't say for sure but maybe investors are more willing to go with an already established company rather than a start-up. Big broadcasters already have their feet in the water, most already have websites that air their shows producing an online show will be relatively easy for them to do.

My point is that PP doesn't need to be company to develop the niche there are already many companies out there trying to accomplish that very thing.

One mystery we were also able to clear up: according to Carlivati, the reason Jimmy DePaiva did not make the cut to return to the show as Max Holden is because of storyline constraints and budget issues with ABC. Carlivati made clear he loves Jimmy and that his absence was “nothing personal.” RC had to take into account all the other returns and where Max would fit in the canvas, especially with Blair juggling, Todd/Victor/Thomas.

The old budget cuts excuse again. If the Fords and Moraco's suddenely disappeared, then Max could have found his way back into Llanview!!

The real question is - who wanted to see Max in Blair's story again? I don't remember fans ever liking this relationship.

If Max did return, it should have been for scenes with Tina or Gabrielle. Or even Roxy.

I'm sure budget did play a part, but I would have been happy to have never seen Mr. HAVE A SEAT PA PA STEPNORA HAVE A SEAT HAVE A SEAT again, and I'm sure that would have saved a fair amount of money.

I don't care that much about Max but I would have wanted to have seen Larry one more time.

I don't usually do this, but +1.

Enough of this crap. I've resigned to the fact the OLTL will be gone come this January. If the show lives on with PP....great, I'll be there. If it's done, so be it. I've enjoyed my 37 years of watching this show. My only hope is that it ends on a high note and not get the crappy ending AMC got. No offense to AMC fans.

It depends on what your idea of a high note is. I'm sure the "heroes" of Llanview will be happy. That covers John, Clint, Rex, Ford. It sounds like Bo and Nora will have a happy ending. I guess Natalie will be happy. I would assume Tea will have some type of closure, even if it's included in a cliffhanger. Starr as well, since KA is leaving. Viki seems to be on the way to a "happy" ending with Clint.

The essence of OLTL is diversity and community spirit. AMC, with many flaws, did sort of go back to its origins in the last few episodes. Ideally OLTL would do that, but I'm not sure what those at OLTL see as OLTL's spirit. For all I know, it will be a racially diverse, campy gangbang at the KAD freehouse, with Austin Peck making jerkoff faces.

Edited November 18, 201114 yr by CarlD2

For all I know, it will be a racially diverse, campy gangbang at the KAD freehouse, with Austin Peck making jerkoff faces.

*flinches* Damn Carl! How do you really feel? LOL!

I meant frathouse. Ack. Now it looks like treehouse.

I am hoping there will be no rape or quasi-rape at the end. That's just cynicism bleeding through, again. A little of what we've heard does sound good.

The essence of OLTL is diversity and community spirit. AMC, with many flaws, did sort of go back to its origins in the last few episodes. Ideally OLTL would do that, but I'm not sure what those at OLTL see as OLTL's spirit. For all I know, it will be a racially diverse, campy gangbang at the KAD freehouse, with Austin Peck making jerkoff faces.

"Freehouse"?

I meant frathouse.

Actually, I think "freehouse" is more appropriate.

I was perfectly fine with letting OLTL go but this came along and I felt very excited. Now I have to mourn all over again?

We better not get screwed out of a finale.

To think that I had come to terms with OLTL's demise, a week before Prospect Park news came along.

I'm just gonna go through these last weeks as if OLTL is ending for good, so that I won't be disappointed if it never comes through.

I'm so sick of all this speculation, I wish they would just speak up and stop letting all these rumors run rampant.

This is why I hate PP with a passion: they gave the Nixon soap fans false hope, which is something that I consider more evil than the devil.

Now, fans are far more heartbroken than if this long-shot venture never even happened to begin with.

Edited November 19, 201114 yr by Max

If they do fall through with this, then it will suck and they will look bad, but in terms of being angered by crappy behavior regarding OLTL I don't think anything can top what was done to Lillian Hayman, Scott Evans, or Brett Claywell.

Whatever happens, I think this PP business has made something crystal clear: soaps in their current form are prohibitively expensive. The SOS crowd loves to throw hate on the replacement shows but those shows are cheaper and that's what really matters. There's a reason we haven't seen a new soap in 15+ years.

This is why I hate PP with a passion: they gave the Nixon soap fans false hope, which is something that I consider more evil than the devil.

Now, fans are far more heartbroken than if this long-shot venture never even happened to begin with.

I don't have to tell you that you're entitled to your opinion, but if you must hate, I say keep the hate focused on the folks who drove the soaps into the ground and necessitated their "saving" to begin with. They may have a lot to learn, but I will never fault PP for trying when no one else dared.

Whatever happens, I think this PP business has made something crystal clear: soaps in their current form are prohibitively expensive. The SOS crowd loves to throw hate on the replacement shows but those shows are cheaper and that's what really matters. There's a reason we haven't seen a new soap in 15+ years.

I just wish the networks would say it. A lot of fans will always be angry when a soap goes but they'd be less angry if they were told flat out it's economics, not that they are fat and stupid and now they have something to help them stop being so fat and stupid.

I just wish the networks would say it. A lot of fans will always be angry when a soap goes but they'd be less angry if they were told flat out it's economics, not that they are fat and stupid and now they have something to help them stop being so fat and stupid.

I dont know maybe I am wrong but other than Brian Frons who has the tact of Glenn Beck, I dont recall any other exec saying that. I never got the impression :Les Moonves took any particular satisfaction in cancelling GL or ATWT and he always came across that the CBS cancellations were more about economics than anything.