http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6r_4S3RmQw

Watching some old episodes, and I had forgotten Creed Kelly was the one who killed Jesse. Was he mentioned at all when Jesse came back in 2008? I know John Remington was and his mom appeared at one point.

What an awful, awful storyline. The difference between the Liza scenes from 1995 and this nonsense is jarring.

If I'm being very honest, Liza seemed very matronly to me from around 1999 to Marcy's exit. Watching those endless stories featuring her, Ryan and Adam became very embarrassing. I just couldn't buy her as some sex goddess who Ryan couldn't get enough of. She was a frumpy dishrag too much of the time. And it was a shame because she came on so strong and vibrant around 1995.

Edited February 17, 201312 yr by Vee

I think that part of it was just that Marcy never suited those types of stories. To be honest I don't know who would have, as I thought almost everything they wrote for her from 1997 on sucked, but when I look at Marcy in that promo, she still looks beautiful to me. She was never suited to a big sexy affair story. That was never what made her a star on soaps. Even Cruz/Eden wasn't really about that. The only time I'd say she ever played "sexy" was her first year back as Liza, and that was relatively short-term, mostly phased out by around spring 1996 when she went to war with Tad.

I thought she was very suited to that story in '95, but by '99 or 2000 her hair was that same straight drab look with the same blouses and stuff, and she just looked worn out and tired. I didn't buy her as a force to be reckoned with or a sexual magnet anymore.

I thought she was very suited to that story in '95, but by '99 or 2000 her hair was that same straight drab look with the same blouses and stuff, and she just looked worn out and tired. I didn't buy her as a force to be reckoned with or a sexual magnet anymore.

One of the problems in this story was they only did this to cause conflict when Ryan got together with her sister, Mia. They didn't care about Liza at all. And then having her get pregnant with Ryan's child, which also made no sense.

I think the worst mistake they ever made with Liza was that romance with the dumbass who fell out of the tree, Jake. Most of her edge was taken away, and never returned.

Oh, Jake and Liza was awful. That was the beginning of the mess for me, when Liza began looking and acting like a tired hausfrau suffering through life with Adam while all these hunky (and often annoying) men fell at her feet.

I'm preparing to duck, but I think JL's Liza (at least the last year or so of her portrayal) mirrored MW's Liza circa 1995-1996.. when she was sexier and a force to be reckoned with.

I'm preparing to duck, but I think JL's Liza (at least the last year or so of her portrayal) mirrored MW's Liza circa 1995-1996.. when she was sexier and a force to be reckoned with.

I totally agree with this, especially during the period where Lorraine Broderick was writing in between Pratt and K/S. That Liza was closer to the '95 Liza than anything we got from MW's Liza from ~1997 until she left (which, IMO, was due to a combination of the writers but also MW herself).

Darnell, Debbi, Jacob, Alicia, Vincent & Walt pics pics from the A Tribute To Pine Valley event this past weekend ;'-)

I'm no AM stan, but I kinda wanna peel this outfit off of her and do dirty thangs.

I'm no AM stan, but I kinda wanna peel this outfit off of her and do dirty thangs.

I barely recognized Walt at first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEdQSa_IH6c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZsHs9w55D4

"It's more than a storyline, it's a legacy."

I have always LOVED that tagline.

Darnell, Debbi, Jacob, Alicia, Vincent & Walt pics pics from the A Tribute To Pine Valley event this past weekend ;'-)

Just realized that is Walt! He looks different.