Man Debbi and Darnell seriously are making me REALLY REALLY like this storyline.

This storyline has been so much better then printed.

I agree. I hate crying over soaps, but Angie really had me. Plus seeing the conflict with Jessie trying to pretend everything is ok for Angie when he is destroyed inside. I thought Brot was good too. I'm sure Jessie will do some bad things to keep this secret, but short of physically hurting the bio-mom, I think he'll keep my sympathy. It's only natural that once a character is in a situation like this they will become more and more desperate and go to further lengths to keep the secret. Jessie is going to watch Angie and the rest of this family bond with the baby, so of course, he's not going to want their world to come down around them.

Plus, it seems natural that Jessie would see this as destiny. A partially AA baby just happens to be at the place that A&J were married, right at the moment their own baby dies? That would just feel like the hand of God, if I believed in that sort of thing.

Not a chance.

There is a reason this debacle is a babyswitch & not J/A grieving TOGETHER.

Right! Cuz a grieving together story wouldn't get the same potential ratings gain this will, would be short term and relatively quickly dealt with, and really wouldn't give much drama or story. Thank God they went this route! I look forward to a lot of Angie and Jesse on our screens.

"What I did tonight..doesn't mean you weren't loved...if anything I loved you too much, I needed you too much"

That better be on his emmy reel.

David/Anna and Leora...

I get that it's all a matter of personal preference, and I respect that, but I can't see how a couple grieving over a dead child isn't dramatic and soapy and doesn't drive storylines. Angie and Jesse could break up simply on the strength of grieving over their deceased daughter. Frankie and Randi could break up over that. Frankie and Randi could expect their own child, and Jesse and/or Angie can grow resentful of that. I'm not going to lie and say that there's a huge number of stories that can come out of that, but there are definitely some interesting alternatives.

The only reason why I would choose this story over the alternatives is because A, AMC is in a place right now where it needs to do something to stick around (I hate it, but it's true, I hate what they have to do to get attention, but...ugh...whatever, I just hate it) and B, if this story is told the right way (i.e., the way it most likely won't be told), it ensures tons of screen time for Debbi and Nelli, as well as Cornelius, JR, and hopefully more returns from Shannon. Denise...hang in there, girl.

I like the story more than you I think, but I agree with your points--it's really what the show needs right now.

As for David/Anna Leora they had a couple of AMAZING scenes but it was a story that was used to seperate them and have Anna leave the show--and have David seek even more revenge on the Martins. It really did give us about 4 killer scenes--and that was it. It was very short term (except for the revenge angle).

"What I did tonight..doesn't mean you weren't loved...if anything I loved you too much, I needed you too much"

That better be on his emmy reel.

So sad.

I like that Cara isn't completely clueless. I don't look forward to Jake's involvement in this story. I can feel it coming.

So sad.

I like that Cara isn't completely clueless. I don't look forward to Jake's involvement in this story. I can feel it coming.

I predict (not too cleverly) that himand Cara figuring out the secret will bring them closer together...

So sad.

I like that Cara isn't completely clueless. I don't look forward to Jake's involvement in this story. I can feel it coming.

I can tell Cara isn't all what a miracle! She went to Jake b/c her gut was telling her, it can't be, to survive those odds, the kid should be dead, or imbalanced. It's coming w/ Jake... I'd say 3-4 wks. from now they'll figure what really happened, Jake being close to Jesse and Angie is one of his bestfriends in town, and she's gone through so much, he'll opt. to keep it a secret and make Cara promise it never gets out, Amanda being left out of this ofcourse, eventually David will put 2 and 2 together.

Done watching clips. Not enough to bring me back. Primarily because the story itself is depressing (and ludicrous), and I still don't care about Jesse.

Right! Cuz a grieving together story wouldn't get the same potential ratings gain this will, would be short term and relatively quickly dealt with, and really wouldn't give much drama or story.

It would only be short term if the writers MADE it short term. There is plenty of drama to be had from a marriage under the stress of dealing with a child that died. It's also a realistic story that viewers can relate to played by good actors which is what viewers are ALWAYS whining about.

And any "potential ratings gain" won't be enough to move AMC out of last place so it's all for nothing.

But of course ridiculously absurd, character assassinating stories must be encouraged by fans otherwise how would AMC ever justify it's bottom spot on the ratings?

Oh geez, that was heartbreaking. Watching Jesse put that baby in Angie's arms was like watching him damn himself to hell and the moment he said "I should've brought flowers," I was beside myself. I like the fact that they shot that scene outside at dawn (or dusk). You could hear the birds chirping and trees rustling. I had originally said that the truth couldn't come out in May but now I think it will. The guilt is going to eat Jesse alive and there's no way he's going to "win" against three doctors. Cara knows that things don't add up and soon Jake and Angie are going to piece things together.

I got a really bad thought about how this secret could come out. What if someone finds the grave a la every Law and Order? Then the whole town will be looking for some child killer or a teenage girl who buried her "dumpster baby" and Maya gets arrested for abandoning and burying her baby.

Your example of someone being off a show for doing far less than a white character still on was OLTL, a show that has had a lot of problem with minorities for a long time now, and you compared Greg--a character no one much liked from the start, who was never given ANY depth or faith by the writers, with Todd a character that inexplicably is on 24/7.

AMC has the same problems with minorities as OLTL does. Don't act like just because AMC has a minority Black family on contract that somehow they're better when A/J are constantly character assassinated, Frankie & Randi aren't used, Brot sits on the backburner & Shannon Kane had to leave the show to get work.

As far as Greg he was treated as all minority characters (especially men) & given ONE terribly underwritten, tertiary story with limited airtime which he was expected to turn into gold then when that didn't happen was made into a criminal accomplice of OLTL's latest villain of the week & promptly let go.

And there is nothing "inexplicable" about Todd being on 24/7. Todd had raped & terrorized Llanview repeatedly yet OLTL ALWAYS finds a way to excuse or ignore his actions no matter how deplorable so he can remain on the show.

Chances his minority counterparts would never get (RJ can't even get a date with Tea).

we still see them more than nearly any other minority couple on a soap right now

Seeing them doesn't matter if they stories they have to play is garbage & it is.

and they've quickly become the "go to" dependable couple on the show.

If ANY couple if AMC's go to couple it's Ryan & Greenlee.

It's about time they get a key story that shakes them up but, I suspect and hope, ultimately makes them stronger and one that they can play out as a couple (ie not a secret affair, etc).

It's amazing how EVERY story no matter how tasteless or offensive is fervently justified (no matter how offensive) by fans like it's somehow gonna be the ONE thing that will suddenly make AMC a ratings powerhouse again as opposed to being yet another ridiculous story that AMC fcks up & does a ton of unnecessary damage to a bunch of characters. AGAIN.

SOME viewers here have but people have said the same about Tad for eons (granted what he did was IMHO worse than what Jesse has done).

Yet all that needs to be done to mitigate what Tad's done is a good pairing like the one with Cara.

Still, even with stories like his secret wife, covering up a murder for Randi, most fans still seem to love Jesse--even with complaints of Darnell's acting. I really don't see where you're coming from in this case.

Again most fans love who Jesse WAS & almost solely due to the fact that he's familiar (given AMC has very few vets left)making their love is conditional at best & hypocritical at worst.

By that theory it's even less likely Jesse will get in any trouble from this, since he hasn't for any thing in the past that was against the law he may have done. Good point

He didn't get in trouble he was suspended by a Mayor that constantly favors David.

But again NO consequence is ever enough for minority characters.

They've gone out of their way--more in fact than often they do with these stories--to make it clear why Jesse did what he did and to keep him completely sympathetic with audiences.

Which doesn't acknowledge that fans have not & will not sympathize with the character & blame him (and Darnell) for the absurdity of the story no matter how good the acting.

I don't see the town turning against him at all--in fact I wouldn't be surprised if much of the town fights to let them keep the baby if the story does go in the direction of the babymommy wanting her back I'd actually bet money on that.

(And Jesse was barely "punished" for his other wife... I'm not sure where with these characters your complaint really comes from).

The punishment was the fans turning on Jesse for Pratt's (a writer who basically said had no use or regard for AMC's previous history) bad writing.

If you think this is an example of racism in soaps then you prob objected to a lot of Jesse and Angie stories (I mean having her dad who happened to be black be a criminal and a baby peddler??)

Actually I loved them together & didn't mind Les being a baby peddler.

Because back then they were treated like any other supercouple with the usual cliches & both characters were allowed the same integrity as their White peers as opposed to being set up to fail like they are now.

It's a classic soap storyline

Name one other supercouple that had one half of the pairing give his wife a baby cause theirs died.

Edited April 1, 201114 yr by DeeeDee

I got a really bad thought about how this secret could come out. What if someone finds the grave a la every Law and Order? Then the whole town will be looking for some child killer or a teenage girl who buried her "dumpster baby" and Maya gets arrested for abandoning and burying her baby.

That would be something... if Ellie's body is discovered and it becomes a criminal investigation... the only problem here is that Jesse would likely shut it down unless somehow the mayor got wind of it and put her "own people" on it or if for some reason another law enforcement agency is brought in on it.

I do have one little petpeeve on that Jesse/Angie s/l, did Brot really just bury that bb is if it was some dead mutt?

This is another reason why it does not sit well with me what Brot did...

Damn I mean Angie is gonna be pissed when she finds that out.

I am hoping that Angie will not be so understanding the say she was with Jesse's previous pack of lies.

Edited April 1, 201114 yr by Sleepy