Members Clear Drama Posted April 1, 2011 Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 None. So atleast we know it's not a carbon copy s/l, it's actually unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted April 1, 2011 Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 its a tweak on an old storyline bc we've seen plenty of wives give their husbands a baby bc their child was dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted April 1, 2011 Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 Or let a guy think a baby is his when she knows it isn't. For some reason, I feel like I have seen this story many, many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Clear Drama Posted April 1, 2011 Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 But it's nowhere near the worst bb swap s/l arc ever told. This one actually has heart. Unlike... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted April 1, 2011 Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 Of course we have. There are no new baby-based stories in soaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted April 1, 2011 Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 Someone said this and I dont remember who. It might have been Nancy Lee Grahan but that the are only about 10 basic storylines in soaps and the shows are about taking these storlyines and telling them in different ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted April 1, 2011 Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 Exactly. I loathe all this procreation fixation but for me this story is about the performances and so far the performances have me riveted. I feel for these characters and it's been a long time since I've felt deeply for any soap character. The genre has beaten that out of me for the most part so I'm going to take this ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted April 1, 2011 Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 I agree. I feel that way about all soaps. I'm just watching for the characters and actors I like now. I've pretty much accepted that the writing is "dumbed down" and that won't be changing anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted April 2, 2011 Members Share Posted April 2, 2011 LOL I actually agree. And frankly this is way way way better than some of what, say, Luke did to Laura. Or Hell, Tad did to Dixie (and her to him!). You're the reason AMC is going to be canceled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted April 2, 2011 Members Share Posted April 2, 2011 A grieving story that lasted months would be, frankly, the death knell, if it hasn't been rung already, for AMC. People already complained one reason they left was due to depressing stories. Agnes said that the Ann/Paul child grieving story in the 70s got such harsh fan reaction, and by all reports it was expertly told, that they had to end it quickly. It's NOT what the show should to right now--for creative or commercial reasons (IMHO, I can respect that it is what you wanna watch). Also knowing how Jesse was in the 80s, and also watching Jacob who IMHO was basically Jesse on Loving, this is not by any stretch of the imagination character assasination or out of character for him. I think it would be if Angie had done it to Jesse though. I think you're grasping here. (And yes stuff like Jesse playing lapdog to Zach WAS much worse than this character wise--this comes from a place most fans recognize) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted April 2, 2011 Members Share Posted April 2, 2011 I can act however I please I do agree with everything you say, and yet, I do think it's significant in the sorry state of daytime and minorities right now, what faith and love and even when they have no story, screentime is given to Angie and Jesse. In many ways they've become the Ruth and Joe of the current generation--which is premature (hence why I love this new story) but... A&J to my mind are NOT character assissanted (certainly much less than most characters) and have become the backbone of the show couple wise. Sure, maybe I'm accepting crumbs when I should be angrily shouting for full meals, but I've given up doing that for soaps, and I enjoy what I'm being fed. I don't think he was a very compelling actor--I mean I think Sean has less acitng experience and he atleast is more interesting to watch. But again I agree with all you say--but for me Greg was no big loss, and I think to compare what they did to Greg to what they just did to Jesse is, frankly, deluded. You even said that most of your complaint about Jesse and this story is about what you seem to KNOW they'll do to him. Why are you even still watching? That's a stupid thing to say, I know--but I do wonder... If you're so sure it's gonna just bring the minorities down even further and nothign can be done by it, maybe the only thing you can do is turn it off? You give me no credit. That's precisely why I said it was inexplicable--I meant to me, it does seem to make sense in the current state of the show. You don't think there's any significance at all to the fact that so many fans are loving and enjoying this story? By current soap standards I think the current scenes have been pure gold. For all the disgusting useless Ryelee pimping we get, they still haven't gone as far to try to instigate them as a couple that people look up to (kendall saying their soul mates, while sickening is not remotely the same thing) or see as mentors of love. And contrary wise if they gave Angie and Jesse a story like Rylee have right now you would be whining all the more. It's not amazing. I think I approach soaps with some big biases but also as an intelligent viewer. I don't appreciate being told that when I liek a story and dont' see it as offensive or out of character it's cuz somehow I don't know my characters (in this case not remotely true) or am just uselessly chearleading a destructive story because... Well honestly I'm not sure why you think I am, but it doesn't matter. I think it's the best thing AMC has done in a while, and I look forward to the aftermath. If it goes in the way you suggest I can't pretend I won't be disappointed, but I don't see it there yet, at all. I would appreciate you trying to see why some long time fans do like certain stories you don't and not just saying they've all been drinking the koolaid--honestly I think I do get where you're coming from and think most of your theories are justified by the past. But it doesn't mean I agree in this case, and I don't think that means someone's wrong. Agreed--and I think Agnes herself said that about soap stories back in the 70s. It's not a new thought (and yes, could be one reason why soaps are next to dead--all these stories now are cliche and not shocking, but that's a diff issue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted April 2, 2011 Members Share Posted April 2, 2011 I can name a number of supercouples who did worse things to each other from Dimitri and Erica to Brooke and Adam, to a story I would find more offensive with Angie and Jesse like the Ruth might cheat on Joe story, etc. And I still think if you think Jesse doing this is because he's a minority yet had no porb with Angie's dad dealing in babies, a crime that used to be associated with minorities (in fiction) specifically, you're blinder than Angie (let me guess, a story you found offensive too). Aside from Jesse and ANgie mourning dteadily for 6 months, what kind of story would you give them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted April 2, 2011 Members Share Posted April 2, 2011 Oh please. AMC has been in it's death throes for years. Don't act like a realistic story played by good actors would all of the sudden cause viewers to tune out. Yeah that's why they left. It had nothing to do with racism, sexism, homophobia, ageism, bad acting, bad writing or lack of diversity or ABC's love of GRYAN. ...And yet GH which is MUCH darker than AMC (and has been for a lot longer) gets better ratings. Cause Dead Baby Switching is LIGHT & FUN! How Jesse was in the 80's? A good cop & hardworking man who provided for his family? So yes this definitely IS a stretch at best & complete character assassination at worst. Also as much as you would like to mesh them to help your already reaching "point" Jesse & Jacob are TWO separate characters so there's no comparison. No hon. That would be you grasping. But it's ok cause AMC's basically done anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MontyB Posted April 2, 2011 Members Share Posted April 2, 2011 Nice post, Dee Dee....... [insert applause emoticon here] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted April 2, 2011 Members Share Posted April 2, 2011 And THAT is precisely why Daytime is in the position it's in now. Even if you don't like Terrell you could basically put any minority male actor in his place (TIM STICKNEY) & the point would still stand. Deluded? Really? Claiming two separate characters are the same while asserting that dead baby switches are somehow NOT dark & the kind of light & fun stories AMC NEEDS NOW isn't deluded? Ok. Which they will. AMC doesn't do quality anymore. Because I can. If that bothers you than tough. This board has an ignore function if you can't deal. The end. They're enjoying it NOW. NOW being the important word. Things will change soon enough. They don't? AMC hasn't spent years pushing Gryan sickm, obsessive love & steamrolling tons of characters in the process to the detriment of all else? And don't get valid issues YOU (as well as a healthy portion of Daytime's remaning audience) refusal to deal with confused with whining. Again though you're allowed to like whatever "story" or characters you like just as I'm allowed to call hypocrisy & bullst about the double standards Daytime & certain fans happily employ when hyping character destructive stories that suit their agendas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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