Dallas 2.0: Discussion Thread

They used Victoria Principal for press and to get the fans invested when she had told them she wasn't returning. That's stupid on their part because the wasted so much screentime on it. There are so many characters that could be used before Pam. Hell, they could keep Pam dangling and just use Katherine and say Katherine has her somewhere in case VP decides to return at some point. There is also Afton who makes sense for this show and Jenna who has a son with Bobby. Not to mention Gary and Val could've been added to the regular cast after their stint last season. They could use some of what they give Judith and give that to Valene and use her as a rival for Sue Ellen.

I love Judith, and she is excellent in this role, yet I agree. I think it would be fascinating to see Val in that capacity, and JVA would've eaten that up.

Yea I thought what they setup with Gary and Val was actually interesting, which is rare for this show. Especially with Sue Ellen falling off the wagon, the show could've kept Gary down and out and have them drinking together with Val trying to get him away from Sue Ellen. Those two also could've given Bobby and Ann something more interesting to do. As a collective, those five plus Harris would've been very interested IMO.

I'd rather Pam be killed off than Cynthia Cidre throw her under the bus for her pet Ann

http://www.ultimatedallas.com/dallasnews/2014/04/11/southfork-fire-season-finale/

Spoiler pics for mid season finale

Emma-John Ross-Rebecca????

I doubt it but that would be hot....

Edited April 12, 201411 yr by ThePrinceOfSunspear

I think I remember reading Cidre crowing about how she came up with something that hadn't been done on Dallas before, so I assume that would be a threesome between John Ross, Emma and Rebecca.

Wow. That would be hot. LOL

Oh, and last post on Susan Howard, LOL, but here are her words on why she exited original recipe Dallas:

http://www.ultimatedallas.com/dallasinterviews/susan.htm

Pamela in London asks I heard there were several factors leading up to your exit from the show. The dream season and how Philip Capice was treated plus you were asked to have an affair with another character on the show. Were these all deliberate attempts to undermine what Mr Capice had done on the show? It seemed the all strong women during the dream season were totally toned down once Pamela woke up

Susan - You are right in that sense of the word. My being written out of the show, press releases that came out from the show, I assume from Lorimar, saying I had asked to be released from the show, I said this was not true. In fact the way I found out is I was sitting in the makeup chair one morning in March and my make-up man said to me "Have you heard Susan we are going to start back early this year" , I said "No I haven't heard", he said "Yeah we are gonna start back April or May", I said "Oh really".

I immediately left and went over to Leonard's office and I said "Is something going on?" and he said "We have decided not to bring the character back" and I said "Why is that?" and he said "We really don't have anymore storylines", I said "Ok if that's the way it is, that's the way it is", I got up and left.

To preface that what had happened the year before, the year Leonard was not on the show, that was the year we had the sequence with the handicap children, well the season Leonard came back Donna had found herself pregnant again, because the whole year was wiped out.

Originally they had come to me at a party before the show had started that year and Leonard had said "You and Steve, keep talking about it, why don't you have a baby", I said "Yes but first of all how could we, we don't even have a bedroom, do you know Donna still hangs her clothes out on the line and she has millions of dollars, what's going on here?" (laughs), really this is the conversation, and he said "Well we have decided Ray and Donna are gonna have a baby", I said "Oh great , oh Leonard that's great", he said "Yes but she's gonna find out shes carrying a down syndrome child and she will have an abortion", well my heart fell to the floor.

I really went home and because I don't believe in abortion I called up Phil Capice, and I said "Phil I need to talk to you, I look back at the history of Dallas and there have been abortions already on the show, don't you think sometimes we need to show the other side, that maybe there would be someone who would want to have the baby, he said "but it's down syndrome, 98% of women who find out they are carrying a down syndrome child have an abortion" and I said "But there are 2% and what do you think they do?" and he said "Well I guess they want it", so I said "Why don't you consider Donna part of that 2%".

So that's how the story went and then the dream sequence came and all of a sudden we are back and Jennas pregnant and she's hating Bobby and she's going to hate the baby she's going to have and Leonard comes to me and says "We have decided you are going to go to Jenna and say 'You know Jenna you really need to have an abortion' ", I said "Leonard why would Donna go to Jenna, the only reason should would want an abortion is because she was mad at Bobby, and tell her to have one?", I said "If you want anybody to tell her to have an abortion it would be J.R because he's got everything to loose".

So in all honesty I believe I was written off the show is because I'm not a politically correct person and people can read into that anyway they want to , my faith had nothing to do with it, I was simply saying "Don't we ever show the other side", and I believe they did not want to live with that so it was much easier to write you off the show and continue in a genre of lifestyle they liked or justified rather than have them daily confronted with someone who challenged them on social and moral issues, that's the truth. It had nothing to do with me not wanting to have an affair with somebody, they did want me to get involved with the Senator and I said "Excuse me, Donna is pregnant with her husbands baby, she is not going to be running around having an affair with some Senator, you've lost your mind" (laughs). People ask this because they want to know the truth and this is the truth ok. Let me tell you, everybody else dances around that question, because they want to say "Oh well it had to do with this or that", no it didn't, this was what it had to do with.

Interviewer - Its very much like the character of Pamela who became quite strong during the dream season and she was totally ruined after that.

Susan - Absolutely, she was a wimp. I love Victoria, she was a good friend. I have to tell you, one of my cousins in Houston, their son had a baby born with a harelip, I immediately called Harry Glassman and I said "Harry I don't know anybody, they don't know anybody" he said "I'll take care of it". He got on the phone, he found the best plastic surgeon for babies, you would never know this child has a harelip. You know you read all this crud but the heart of who people were is sometimes never told. That's who Victoria and Harry are, anything they could do to help they did. I love Victoria Principal and I love Harry Glassman and I always will. That's a good little personal thing you will never read in the tabloids and I'm proud of her, she's done so good. She's a smart woman.

Interviewer - What happened to Phil Capice, he seemed to have vanished?

Susan - Phil has and I'm gonna try to find Phil, I really am.

Jamie in Germany asks Were Donna and Ray a good couple? Why or why not?

Susan - I thought they were a real good couple, they were more common folk, they were trying to live normal lives, Ray and Donna always brought you back down to a center. Sometimes they did weird things too, like punching women in bars (laughs), I don't recommend that.

It's a shame we lost two great characters in Pam and Donna. The show was never the same after they left.

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It's a shame we lost two great characters in Pam and Donna. The show was never the same after they left.

It wasn't. And sad part is they were both basically pushed out.

What did the new guy who Elena is involved with do with her purse and that object? Sorry for my naivete but I couldn't tell what the heck that was or why he was putting holes in it....

Nicholas/Joakim was tampering with Elena's birth control.

This was an ok finale but again, the writing for Sue Ellen is ridiculous. She doesn't really have any problems personally, just that her son is cheating on his wife. From this she spiraled out of control and became a complete drunk after 20 years sobriety? And nothing set off her binge tonight other than Pamela calling her a weak drunk. Sue Ellen has been called a lot worse without needing to hit 14 bottles.

As for Pamela, the end there didn't make a lot of sense. The three way was OTT. Why did Emma and John Ross even go along with it? Pamela initiated that so she could commit suicide in front of them I guess, but this reaction seems out of left field since she had only been married to John Ross for 30 seconds and it wasn't so long ago she was in love with Christopher. Juaquim trying to get Elena pregnant came from out of nowhere too. Obviously he has loved her all these years but why the need to impregnate her?

The new girl's husband, Drew, I can't get too excited about that story. I guess this episode left me indifferent.

I agree about Sue Ellen. This is one of the main reasons I wanted Gary to stick around. IMO one of the best ideas this show had was the way they reintroduced a down and out Gary. He has always had chemistry with Sue Ellen and with JR gone she does need a love interest. I wouldn't necessarily have them as a true couple, but just a toxic friendship and flirtation would be enough to build tension with Val (Sue Ellen needs a sparring partner) and you also would solve the complaint of not having enough Ewing's. With Gary's history drinking you could have him and Val drinking together and causing trouble. Also you could easily give Lucy an offspring and include them in the mix instead of the endless supply of Ramos' and people related to them.